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oh well may have to filter this time.... I just cat understand his gibberish even when I do try to read the posts.....
the point is you said 5p not 135p - so for all you have said you haven't answered my question - what economic justification can be given for vod reaching 5p ??? - these are your words not mine ..............I am waiting
ridicule prices given by others...200p etc....only mine is chastised due to direction.. Anyway, we will see.. .I suppose if it does hit 135 'I just have got lucky due to news'. fair enough if luck is profit.. . but what if I'm trying to anticipate future news in price ? are you not trying to anticipate same too in your research? whats different ?
fleccy, we could have had this chat at 220...youd have said same about 180 for sure. 135 is not out of air...its my analysis.. .some chose 240p...not classed as a long way; yet 135 much closer now.. .pretty sure it eas viewed as a growth stick at 250p too....and higher
135p is a long way from 180p and Vodafone is seen as a growth stock by many of the analysts. Vodafone is also an interest to value/dividend investors, such as myself. The fact that you consider 135p, in the absence of catastrophic news, suggests you just pick figures out of the air. If you'd said 160p, which I don't believe will happen, it would have made your analysis seem more research based than fantasy.
Hello Carrington. I'm not a fundamentalist.. .so apart from the basics such as sector state, high yields and a market not liking any of said....il give you what is my own analysis... During falls, I look for money to be buying quietly...building stakes while others create the cheaper supply. I'm simply not seeing that yet...not seeing money thst sees a positive short to medium term outlook. hence no change in sentiment.. . Of course that stealth wealth could start buying long before 135p...and I watch for it..just don't see it as of today. So until i do, target remains intact Yes, of course I read and see positive spins.. I'm nit blind to all those views.. but even if they are right...the money is not yet agreeing.. .so basically I use my own methods to gauge all that... this statement will be ridiculed by those who only invest in fundamentals, but dont forget I do too...just via price..is where my fundamental analysis is.. Be y see no illusion...im not made biased by my own position..im only watching for 'real' bulls now, given I'm short.. ..and if i see them il be first to say...short dumped.. .bought.. . Anyway, imo we are a long way from thst point.. this ex div date run nearly confirms it...a rally into it 5 says prior? 7.5% ??? this should be rallying weeks; not days....so there is a general fear of capital risk here.. .imv
There was no point , as you put it. I was merely responding to a question from MrD. He bought in a few days ago asked if he would get the divi. As I and another poster clarified the situation. However, I do question your figures on SP day. On that morning I remember 196 and a number of posters remarked how well the sp was holding up , which turned out to be a false dawn. I stated to MrD that he was 20p better off than paying before divi date. I did not go into the semantics of plus and minus of 9p divi At the end of the day, he is better off than he thinks.
Bloody hell the nutters back .
"Market high records...vod in It's own recession...your backing a loser in a winning market that will turn hard when it does. Then Vod will be 5p" - Last call - please enlighten me with your economic justification for Vod at 5p - quant research based on fundamentals please - I am waiting with bated breath..................still waiting for the answer
its why who holds whst is nit much of a measure
pessimistic bulls.. .funds by law cant just go out and dump all holdings in one go...so the solution is cover via short loans
"pessimistic bulls " - an oxymoron
one guy gave me great advise...but need the next downturn...small cap investment trusts...great buys in recessions to cover individual selections on next bull run.. .So to speak.. you get my gist.
can't even hsve 0000.1p affect to price. if a poster convinced five million retail traders to dump shares or not buy, would not matter a jot to SP. Most that shoetvlike me are speculating the price....zwro affect to it. The only shorters you have to worry about are the masters at the helm.. .who own shares too, but have a bad outlook and loan them to shorters to cover themselves.. .. It's not shorters that pressure price. They can't.. .unless pessimistic bulls loan the stock to them...
LC: Crikey - you'll be taking sense next - but what would be the fun in that?
Given the general uncertainty, broad economic and geo-political situation I have actually switched some funds out of individual stocks and into (theoretically) slightly 'safer' (due to diversification) funds - and accepted a small drop in yield as a consequence. However, I've only used very low cost passive (and a few low cost active) funds to minimise the inevitable hit from the City vultures.
lastly, increasing the yield same to get punished in many constituents here...maybe time they learned..talk talk is more sensible and seems to hsve backing now for their sense
but its not a sector that warms up in general global downturns either so yield is a concern to the market..
Markets so high...any high yielders vulnerable to a downturn.. .Pretty massive debt is div, whenever the turn comes . Maybe SP is markets way of saying, be smart on your yield cover , and ready....
sounds like your in the game many years...all sectors. Do yiu not fancy a div cut in a few constituents here to appease the true Markets? (1-4 funds)
Agree. Aim , fledgling, small cap its ok...not great on ftse 350..well 250 anyway. If i felt this was short term on VOD id be timing buy only. Never short...but it just doesn't feel right is best way to put it. I'm targeting 135 (no joke)...and will have to assess if gets there. But as you know, a number is just that..a target.. .and must assess on the way. I'm sure the other will come good....i am short to medium term there in that respect.
LC: Whilst it pains me to engage with the certifiable (by the way did you try the Xanax x 1mg three times daily?) I will agree with one point. Next week will be critical for that other BB we can't mention here (but contains 2xS's and 1xE). By next Friday we will likely know the new general compass direction - goes without saying I hope for North - and of course you the reciprocal.
However, I'm there long (very long - as in years) so even a medium term set back wouldn't be too great an issue for me - as long as the dividend holds of course (goes without saying really).
I'm still hovering over VOD - and if it did crash further (don't think it will I have to say) - I would have to think long and hard - but it's that crucial broadly based stability that's currently lacking that worries me (same at BT) . My AIM money expects that kind of yoyo effect - but with income investment money (FTSE 100/250 type generally) I really don't want that kind of action.
The eulogies were heart-rendering, if not premature. So, now that the 'safe run' is nearing peak, it has alerted the bears, time is nigh.. as wise counsel always says....'when short, we love dead cat bounces'....as the bull likes to find low...it makes sense that only a retrace high will excite the bear.... Many teasomings for the silence of the LC...many theories and worst of all, thinking of leave on a dead car bounce. I found it entertaining, popping in to read the minds of the predictable ...but let's deal in states facts, shall we?? ......... Wed 13:44Price: 175.02 LastCall1,450 posts time to leave this board no fun while it's dropping.. .il be back for the next telitubbie bounce. Best of luck all...your gonna need it.... ....... So as stated here, I'm back when it's valuable to be bear....new positioning zone.... Given the bear started here 187.8 zone, been some funny theories.. ...bjt now it's time for the cold analysis.. ... WEEK OUTLOOK.. 1. very very poor performance to date , into ex div....anyone that found the low here, needs it to rise more than 7.5% ....so anything below 186 - 187p ex div day is loss making in the long term. A market adjustment on Friday should be higher percentsge than the yield on this one. 2. The low .....found only days before ex div , on one of the highest yielders around..very concerning point in itself for bulls. 3. Smart money....i don't see it holding all in to Friday morning.. .too risky re Cap v yield.. .the div run is near fizzle...we should see the real market commence positioning out into mid wednesday/ Thursday.. .. 4.. the last few work days Has convinced me, my target needs adjustment....SP 135p by Autumn.. .quiet easily actually. We have just seen the weakest signs yet, of the Vod confidence.....loiny two very telling.. So.... The Bears Ave it.....and we are coming out in force this week, with a relentless passion to take Vod to new plateaus .. PS rxdav...im targeting under 1000 on SSE and you call it a short term short positioned two days ago? price 1.7 points above my position. You must be a good panicky investor.. .here comes the yield gap chasers...straight into the clutches...much like here Enjoy weekend folks.. .catch up at the 'real' business end of VOD next week...
I think you mean SSE (not SEE) - as I alluded to this morning? And no, he's now such a well known fruit cake whom most folks seem now seem to feel sorry for (admittedly a few would like to wring his neck - qui moi?). But he should likely be sectioned - that seems the general opinion - plus, SSE was well up today - hence another (at least short term 'shorting' failure) - so look on the bright side - he might be back here on Monday - loadsa fun eh!?
Sorry, I know I should not have looked, but Elsie L.C! is up to his usual telly tubby comments on s.e.e. I know this sounds like a stupid question, but is it possible that his crazy posts could influence the sp Please shoot me down in flames for asking the question, but I do think people like him can be very dangerous. Ok, I know!? just ignore him ,I guess!? I did read a newspaper article recently, suggesting that shorting shares is seriously undermining the true value or company's shares, so I think it is a worry.
With a name like like buzzby, you should be a bt share holder/ surely? But joking apart, I don't get your 20p divi comment. On ex divi day at open the vod sp was 1.88, so you would be 8 to 10p better off buying today. If you bought the day before at close. approx 1.97 , the same, 1.97 minus 9p divi = 1.88. But either way to have bought today,( with hindsight), would be the better option, if that was you point?