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"Hope that it will finish the day in blue"
If we're really lucky, they might even finish in the green.
It's recouping part of yesterday's losses, good to start the day with. Hope that it will finish the day in blue.....
"I have been involved in too many shares where falling prices have become permanent loss of value. I have held shares in the belief they will recover only to be disappointed. Examples include BT, CNA, DSGI (now DC), HMSO, LLOY, RBS"
I'm currently also invested heavily in Lloyds and BT, so affected by both Brexit and Covid. I see both of these as temporary events, which will wash out of the macro picture over the next couple of years, and i'm 100% confident that my investments will come good and give me good profits irrespective of a Brexit Deal/No Deal.
£1m buy showing after hours? I got in today at £1.26.
Only 4 and half trading days left before Xmas. Think it's a bit late for a Santa rally now....ho ho ho...
Hi daniela mate. Thanks for pointing it out but unfortunately, what I have seen was nothing and what I have done was also nothing. Therefore I have no ideas how the markets work!....lol
daniel, reply to a few posts down, I sold all my VOD shares years ago, having learnt my lesson. The div is no replacement for safety of principle.
Most retail investors just buy in for the nice safe div without reading the financials first. It's not a guaranteed return for your pension, due to risks of capital depreciation, the div not covered, and the need to borrow to pay the div.
Now that tomorrow has been 'n' gone, any chance VOD can start to climb the old wall of worry or do we have to endure some more suffering first. Would be nice to have a good day to finish the week and stop poor Mikey from another pessimistic shout about 3pm.
Any one know if Santa got time to visit this share before Xmas, as heard the govt. had given him special exemption for social distancing in the 7 days before Xmas... Not sure about his little helpers though.
Notice that all the ex div stocks gone down more than their divi today so must say not a bad day as it goes for VOD.
Cheers - CSDI
seen_it_done_it. If you have seen it & done it then why cant you understand why some people are selling..That's how it works, some buy & some sell! Not rocket science?
Ok, forgot the k.
CSDI. FAANG'S for explaining what it means, but i'm not that keen on acronym's. B.T.W. sorry, I mean buy the way, still waiting for your promised amusing post with regards to you no who? Afraid he might green filter you perhaps? Man or mouse?? Happy Christmas? I hope.
Hello fleccy. I am sorry to other posters to drift of the vod subject but FAANG & bitcoin were discussed. Bitcoin started as a ponzi scheme(look it up) The bigger fool theory, however it has turned in to a way to suck in investors by massive non regulated manipulation. Many say the stock market is rigged, but no way as much as crypto currencies are. The difference between the tulip bubble & bitcoin, is that that the tulip was a true ponzi scheme that collapsed, bit coin on the other hand, although it was a ponzi scheme, has been re invented as a way to suck in suckers. The mantra of bitcoin is buy & hold(hodle) as bitcoin fanatics call it, saying you only lose when you sell,but course it is the opposite. It is complicated, but loved by the tech savvy, young. I have tried shorting bitcoin, & won a bit 1st time but then lost more the 2nd time. I think any intelligent person realises bitcoin are basically worthless but that is were the bigger fool theory comes in. I have more vod shares than you(more fool me) & agree with most of what you say. To me the more I read about FAANG etc makes me more confident about vod as a real asset, not a bubble asset.
Sensible call from yourself with average at 154p.
I have been involved in too many shares where falling prices have become permanent loss of value. I have held shares in the belief they will recover only to be disappointed. Examples include BT, CNA, DSGI (now DC), HMSO, LLOY, RBS. Not to mention a couple of shares previously held that have gone up in smoke.
My holdings are no where near your value here. I review any share which falls 10% if it's a short term trade, or 25% of one of my LTH which are usu dividend plays for income. For me there is no guarantee that any share will recover, so I am quite prepared to take a loss and revisit. Sometimes I can get back in a better price, sometimes not.
When I bought LLOY and RBS in 2007, I would have lost over 90% if I held instead of taking losses. Some we win, some we lose and obv in my case I have a natural ability to buy dogs LOL.
Good luck with your invesment, you have a lot more to gain or lose than I do.
Cheers - CSDI
"I have bad prev experience with VOD buying at over £2 in 2018. Got out out at 1.52 and about 1.28 on way down.."
Apart from day traders, the over leveraged and desperate sellers it doesn't matter what the share price does tomorrow. I'm now holding over 60,000 Vod at an average of 154p, but I wouldn't dream of selling any of them at a loss. The market has been pushing down on Telecom stocks as part of a sectoral shakeout in my opinion. At some point the market power players will change the narrative and we'll be hearing and reading about how 5G will change the world, and how telecoms will shape the future, blah blah blah. It just needs patience from long term holders to realise profits in the future.
"So very worrying as it appears to be largely unregulated. I am sure Bitcoin is also another bubble to pop (again)."
Bitcoin is the most confusing and perplexing asset classes i've ever seen. My opinion, for what its worth, is that Bitcoin will go down in history in the same same way the Tulip bubble did. My son works in I.T. and he told me that he and some of his mates made some bitcoin for a laugh in the early days, and discarded them. IMO bitcoin is a classic trap, they dice the bitcoin and offer fractions of a bitcoin to suck in more investment, maintaining the hype and keeping the bubble inflated. Some event will prick the bubble and the Emperors New Clothes will leave investors naked and exposed.
Good evening CSDI, my friend. Should I blame you for the SP pull back then? lol
Well, where the SP will be heading is everyone's guess. Simply no one knows. It will all depend on a lot of circumstances. Going back to £2 is pie in the sky at this moment but not impossible. £1.50-£1.60 will be more realistic and achievable though.
Since now I am deeply under water, I won't be selling it any time soon.
So, come on! Let's bring on tomorrow!!
I have bad prev experience with VOD buying at over £2 in 2018. Got out out at 1.52 and about 1.28 on way down. Decided to come back in with smaller holding to see how it goes this time. Not confident of getting back to £2 so have targtted 150-160 as my exit point. As only half size purchase may add if momentum goes in favour.
Cheers - CSDI
Suprised you do not know what FAANG stocks are. They are why the US indices have gone through the roof. Facebbook, Amazon, Apple, Netflix & Google (now called Alphabet). As UK lacks these digital monsters our market lagging massively.
As for VOD. its 5p loss today, only 25% approx more than the div. The FTSE 100 ex div stocks all gone down today. BATS 65p (div 52); MRW 4.45p (div 4) UU 27p (div 14), so much in line with the market on a typical down ex-div Thursday.
Fingers crossed VOD bounces back soon, but not good Nov/Dec record for last few yrs. Come on .... where is Santa when we need him ?
Cheers - CSDI
HKphooey, good evening. Yup, you better keep your job. Playing with stocks and shares are very risky. There is absolutely no guarantee that you will get rich. Well, at least in my case, hahahaha. I simply have picked too many dog shares, which have cost me a fortune. Although I bought GGP by chance but it's an AIM. I couldn't put too much money on that. Therefore even now I am 1200% in profits but I still unable to cover my other losses....(sad emoji face)
Of course if I did not buy that then I would be much much worse.....
ftseexporer. I've don't know what FAANG stocks are, but if they are anything like bitcoin, then there is nothing ironic about the name Robinhood, Those who believe in bitcoin think they are taking from the rich,& giving to the poor (So ok ironic only in that it is a con & in fact doing the reverse) some young people who are anti establishment , anti government, anti regulation, anti fiat currency,& think that they know it all. The best thing that could happen to bitcoin would be a total collapse,but it's so manipulated by the so called whales dragging in investors, it may keep going unfortunately. Still perhaps this is good for vod, as I presume it would not be classed as a FAANG stock.
mole_man. So can we take it that you have sold all your vod shares & moved on then?
Totally agree about the FAANG stocks - I read an article earlier this week about the advent of the "free" trading platforms....most notably one called Robinhood. The irony is in the title - the millenials are going crazy for it and are spending money they havent got literally betting on these stocks. One 21 year in the US was able to run up losses of $750k and sadly took his life! So very worrying as it appears to be largely unregulated. I am sure Bitcoin is also another bubble to pop (again).
VOD is a graveyard of investors, like me in the past, who collected some div and lost X2 on the capital. Eventually you figure it out. The div is not safe, and yes the cash is better off elsewhere. Long Term.
You do have a tricky period to deal with if the SP goes up beyond the price you cashed out at, but don't worry, it's VOD, it will come down, and hopefully your other investment didn't.
seen_it_done_it : ouch! you win. I'm only down £20000 or so in paper terms but then I've had nearly £10k in divs over the last few years so maybe I should have sold at a loss and re-invested elsewhere to make a quick buck or two. God knows if you had timed it right during covid you could have easily made +100%. I knew (well guessed more like) Barclays was cheap at sub 80p and BT at £1.00 and RR at 62p (bit risky mind)....but didn't have spare cash. Oh well, at least I have a job :)
Hi nuri123a. You are right of course when you say the ftse is lower than 20 years ago, but you are being very selective. If you had bought the the ftse just before the 1987 black friday wall st crash, the biggest % wall st crash of all time, you would have made a 250% profit. If you bought after the crash, a 340% profit. Also in jan 2003 the ftse was 3567. Of course it has had been bad overall. I think the big question is, would you prefer to own shares in an over valued market, or undervalued market? I think the answer is whether you are a seller, or a holder or a buyer. If the later then perhaps an undervalued market is the best option. For short term trading, of course overvalued is better, as long as you bought when they were undervalued & sell when they are overvalued. Sorry if this is all a bit too obvious, but I think worth pointing out. Good luck everybody. Looking a bit undervalued at the moment, so perhaps a blue friday tomorrow.