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TomE, that puzzles me that no comment for the rise today and i don't know if anyone on here knows each other outside of the forum but is it just a whinge fest at times or genuine concerns about their positions. I'm out of vod but would be prepared to buy in after sustained rises but maybe not until 2019.
Again and will happen again, telecom stocks and housebuilders have jumped big time. BT is killing it and i know if NR does a good job VOD will rise over 5% on the 13th. Stop spreadbetting guys........
Had a great day out and a very nice lunch ( 1 pint as driving ). I got home in the evening to have a look at what was going on only to see pages of negativity and a lot of nonsense.
Most posts ( 35 off ) were negative still complaining about selling up, moving on, what a cr-p share this is etc etc mainly by one person. If they think it so bad why don't they sell, get out and move on so we do not have to read the continual whinging, hence my post.
Now the SP is on a rise up nearly 3% those that moan have not even said anything positive about the rise, typical.
Lets hope some can now see a light at the end of the tunnel and show a bit more confidence rather than moaning every day. We have broken the 150 so lets hope it holds. 2nd Resistance Point 150.553
Thanks again. I take your points. But I imagine the vetting process needed to make sure that dodgy characters aren't submitting bogus details would put-off many. We'd have to supply passport IDs as for investment sites. Would it be worth all that hassle just to join a discussion BB? I'm not sure many would bother.
Another issue: most large websites seek as many visitors & website hits as possible to make it commercially viable. Maintaining sophisticated sites like this costs money. You can see from all the off-line time here that things often go wrong & need fixing. So we'd all certainly have to pay far more than even those who are subscribers pay now.
For me personally, it wouldn't be worth it just because a small minority of characters are inclined to wind-up up people. For those who have an issues with anyone, then LSE's "filter" facility seems the way to go. Then you don't see any posts from those filtered. I have no-one on filter here... as yet.
I'm not excusing online rudeness. Personally, I try to behave as best as I can. Occasionally I fail. I've voluntarily apologised to a few people when I feel I've posted without due consideration. But I just accept that frustrations are more likely to be voiced & some tempers lost, when large amounts of money are involved. Often it's nothing personal, even if it comes over that way. But I think only a minority go out of their way to deliberately provoke. - Regards.
jackdawsson, Except only registered users could use the forum that being the whole point of the verifiable id. That would immediately address "guest" posters concerns. I'm afraid I don't subscribe to the "stress excuses rude and pompous remarks" position and especially when there appears to be no real reason for it other than arrogance.It does however in my experience measure a persons substance. My stance is "if you don't like the rules then don't play the game". I would gladly provide my details in a fully registered forum.There aren't any hedge funds on here surely are there? I have nothing to hide. I understand your point about tempers being lost,but again state would that happen face to face? No. I've never walked by William Hill, Ladbrokes and seen gamblers being rude and obnoxious to each other. Because this is as much gambling as anything at the bookies. What does it say about financial sites generally then that they are so dodgy as to be afraid of some disclosure. Personally I wouldn't mind quite so much if the pompous remarks and rudeness accompanied pearls of investment wisdom. Have these forums really become the replacement for speaking to people to off load any frustrations. Gawd help us! A nation of alternative personalities living under nom de plumes. All that aside the sp must be taming the pompous and rude beasts frustrations.
Indeed. a decent start here & across the FTSE (I also hold banks) due to rising hopes of UK-EU financial services agreement, though it's still to be confirmed. But it's looking like they're close & another key step forward, though other aspects of Brexit remain to be sorted.
Without putting a dampener on what is a very welcome return to over 150, I just hope we see some strong volume by the close & consolidation ahead. Would be glad to see closer to 160 by the next update. - Regards.
You could say the same for every single online chat site. However, it'd kill off financial sites. Who'd give their full name & geographical location away on public discussion sites to broadcast they are dealing in large amounts of money & stocks when any visitor,,who doesn't register, could well use that info for nefarious purposes? Would you?
As for poor attitudes: let's face it, when people are dealing with large sums of money & their stocks fall, some tempers will be lost. Inevitable. That might happen face to face. Especially when some are running down others investments in a way that suggests that they'll never get their money back.
Respect is important. But no point in losing one's rag if it's not forthcoming as NOTHING that happens on a BB is that important. It has no meaning. For a lot of people BBs are just for sharing of views & unloading frustrations. Nothing said on a BB will sway my financial decisions. - Regards.
All they have to say is divi maintained. If they say divi up then 15% rise..
Look at bt up 8%. We could do the same on results.
TLWilliams, I think you make a lot of sense and I would really like to believe in vod, but I wonder is vod too big and has all this empire building been a folly. The India fiasco where another local provider simply provided at a loss connections did for them there. What happens if the same thing happens over years and decades. The partnerships across the world are diverse and so many keep talking about Africa as if it is the next coming. The underlying societal issues that suit Africa (aside from the continent being raped for its resources by multinationals and nations) make me wonder. The Italian arm also makes me wonder at profitability as when we owned a house there the mobile offerings were dirt cheap with almost limitless calls, texts and even calls abroad. It would have been unsustainable in the UK. Trying to be too much to too many areas is what helps to brings huge companies down. I appreciate the FCF and possible synergies way off in the future (unless Harry Potter has waved his accounting wand and bow and fiddled figures which seems in vogue with the pre figures announcements, announcements then the reality both positive and negative) and surely cost considerations are going to come into play.I think that there may be more value in breaking it up assuming buyers for profit can be found. I realise the horror that seems to some as the divi is so hypnotising and with years of jam tomorrow performance which never seems to arrive. Where will the business come from (profitable ) at saturation point with each operator simply pinching each others customers. However as I type the sp is rising modestly so who knows.
danielh, I think you have hit the nail on the head with the apt description of pompous. I have advocated for sometime that to post on any forum the rules should be the same as if you are speaking face to face. Provide the same level of id as for money laundering, use your own name and where geographically you are located. Believe me you'll see a whole new attitude from some posters. I really enjoy some banter but KNOW that 99.9% of keyboard pompous twits would NEVER dare say to my face, yours or most others what they snottily post from their keyboard bunker.
Vod staff bypassing security measures. Get a grip Read.
A slight divi cut but divi maintained there has given it 6% rise!
Yesterday i thought half into bt at 233p. Kicking myself again
Mrd, don't take this as a smug reply,but I'm often suspicious of directors buys given their remuneration and especially the obscenely paid ones who can drop £50k £100k and not even feel it. Their options often surpass any hit they may take and especially the multi board ones who hop from comfy boardroom seat patting each other on the back as they go to the director's dining room.
BT results were ok ish but divi was reduced a little bit. We should all expect up to 50% cut in divi in order for VOD to invest for the future!
Looking at debt level, dividend cuts, too many silly investments fair price for vodafone is 123p-132p. Before result, voda will stay below 150p and after result below 140p.. lets see how bad the result will be!
Red October has blighted the VOD share price, but has now ended. Following the recent upturn in share price, is it now a time to have some optimism? The reason for the heading is that I read it in one of yesterday’s posts and wondered where it came from? My initial research has thrown no light on this other that the share price was there or thereabouts in 2004.
I then examined the factors that might contribute to a further depression in the share price. These include: a) that, under Colao, it has invested heavily to transform from a mobile operator to a converged service provider, b) that it has agreed to pay 18.4 billion euros to buy Liberty Global’s cable network in Germany and Eastern Europe, c) that Nick Read is widely seen as an unproven CEO, d) the group’s rising debt burden which will reach 50 billion euros when the Liberty Global deal is done e) the growing infrastructure and mobile spectrum costs f) the management’s current commitment to a progressive dividend policy (last year saw a 2% rise, currently VOD is one of the highest yield eras on the FTSE-100), g) the intense competition in India, and the challenges faced in Spain and Italy.
On the positive side, the free cash flow for the last financial year was well ahead of earnings, and covered the dividend. When the Liberty Global acquisition is completed, it should help to increase the fcf and future dividends. Additionally, the fact that VOD’s current debt compared with equity is less than 50% - conservative when compared with BT Group say.
I remain optimistic regarding VOD’s future prospects, but believe that, contrary to the above affirmation, a dividend cut should happen to enable the group to better keep abreast of new technology like 5G. Even if the dividend were cut in half, at my level of investment it would provide a satisfactory yield while the company recovers over the next year or so.
I know you were joking...but i merely closed any idea of it being sexist.... that's all
Have one of Tom's beers ....
Let's chill and keep Mrd calm and hanging in there
Why don't you read my posts, I was joking, but your post at 18.46 was pompous to say the least. calm down!!
Strange post from you! More than 1 pint perhaps? A good finish for vod . up in the morning. Think positive!
steadily from £1.42 ish. That is a positive. My average is not as bad as some, but I confident in this share. I could be wrong - lets see. Good luck all.
I just can not take any more of you crap on this board., what a FGI waist of time.
Its only sexist if its a general comment ....this was about a specific situation in which the role of earner and spender has already been defined...and as such is specific rather than general ...could easily be the other way round if the situation had been defined so
OOH ,nasty. that made me hit the the SELL !!!! But I think I still have balls so,I think, BUY. But your comment (very sexist) made me think, are there any girls/women posting on this site? Ok not my wife, she is far to stupid. j.o.c. (joking of course)