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Clear that behind the scenes big players are dumping this junk hence flooding with sells.
No end in sight for thisto bottom out. Vodafone is history. Too much debt in a competitive market they are losing ground to fast.
Falls this fast are common when the end close.
Yep.....that's the news!
But baffling re share price action. Won't it add to demand? And it is up to the providers to decide what price they may wish to sell to Amazon at?
Also, Amazon can just gobble up Vodafone for Europe and Africa!
That was there fairly early this morning and we were green after that for a few hours, Graphs show 3m volume on the spike down
Amazon is gonna offer a mobile service to US prime members.
You heard it here first, all the telcos are down, not just Vodafone.
I think its more the german probe in the news section
How was this bad news to drive the SP down so far. Forgive me for my ignorance, but the US economy adds 339k jobs why is this bad news? and why does it even effect Vodafone?
Wow - even in this nice hot weather it seems the ski slopes are about . Awful as usual
Vodaphone started the day off positive then went negative after the release of NFP. Just another reason for the price to fall again
Suddenly some people that are not going to be called a lot of money sold a big jolt just as the May jobs report came out.
The velvet glove is not a Russian thing else you need anything further from the truth.
Nevertheless the British government is gonna move on Vodafone because of the future tax take.
It’s obviously not my only investment. It’s all in an Isa so I’ll just leave long, it will definitely go up mid term and I’ll keep the div while I wait.
"Many of the much bigger holders including Investment banks and Institutional Holders , will not place all their entire investment on just a Long bet "
The difference between institutional Investors and the average retail investor, like me, is that they have to show annual profits, whereas I can sit on a Capital Paper Loss ad infinitum and use the dividends for income or reinvestment. The beauty of dividend reinvestment when sitting on a paper loss, is that it not only brings down your average cost per share but when the the price eventually turns, and exceeds your book price, the capital paper gain increases in proportion to the number of extra shares obtained from topping up. Retail investors don't need to copy the professionals to make a profit, as they're completely different animals.
The travails of Vodafone management system has been dragged into my application for the civ nats world of my comments.
Touching cloth seems to be over and the second morning loads of the future safe holders and then back to the share price.
Besides the one that still works for me from losing money and time spent is irrelevant...
Personally I’m 10k down on a £100k long positive," .."
That is where a lot of the other players differ with regards to plays of private Investors
Many of the much bigger holders including Investment banks and Institutional Holders , will not place all their entire investment on just a Long bet ...they will hedge a part of it using Derivative products and shorting .... especially during these periods of what is total uncertainty ..like the US Debt ceiling Default nonsense
The increase in Derivative bets and shorting then leads to those on the other sides of the bets, selling shares into the market
The big holders may not be selling of their holding but they will no doubt have taken some hedge protection to make some money on the other side of their Long bets
I bought a couple of times between 76.5 and 77 this morning. I think we're about to see a relief rally.
'Wait for price to form a base over several months and test before going long.'
think it did that at £2 and then again at £1...next 50p?
Look at 5yr chart ,
share has fallen fairly consistently
Wait for price to form a base over several months and test before going long.
On watch list but nowhere near investable yet
Yes then the SP will drop by another 4p ish, so will be a good time to buy at say 70p.
Ex div next week. Have a good weekend all
Guys you can quote all the numbers and abuse you want but if your invested then that’s it. If your short, last 7 days your winning but, as we all know it’s timing and that’s always down to the individual. Personally I’m 10k down on a £100k long positive, but I have conviction and I’ve been in this place many times. I’ve seen all these comments before on many shares I’ve been in. Same old words, same old rules. Good luck to you all. X
Jax05, you say you have an 85p average and you are moaning all day long, didn't you do any research at all before investing here? didn't you know this share has been on it's well known ski slope since 2018 ? there are many people on here who have paid a lot more than yourself for this share, every year i have been reading posts here such as this share is under valued and it's worth at least £2 after a while you realise that other posters here have no more idea where this is going than yourself, ok unfortunately we can't change what's happened here in the past and some people are thinking this has at least got very close to it's bottom and looking at this as a recovery stock from it's current very low price, and there's a very good chance they are right, we all hope they are, the only thing in my favour is this is a small part of my portfolio and providing it continues paying dividends it won't be a big problem for me to continue holding here for as long as it takes, they say it's only a big loss if you need to sell, not sure i totally agree with that one!
The only point i was trying to make to you is don't expect every share to rocket as soon as you invest in it because it doesn't always work out that way, and don't invest anymore than you can afford to lose into one particular share and be patient
best of luck
Mulder
"Debt to equity ratio" is not the same ratio as the "Equity ratio". I was and am merely pointing out the inaccuracy in your previous statement.
Focus on the Debt to Equity ratios
VOD is 1.4; other telcos closer to 3.
Quick ratio for VOD has also improved from 0.8 to 0.9.
This daily drop is blatant MM.
"Absolute bo**ocks mesh trader. These are basics, do the math for yourself, look at the balance sheet."
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What is the expression for Equity ratio?
Today just under 90 million Vodafone shares were traded which is roughly 0.35% of total Vodafone shares in circulation. During May the share price has gone from 95p to 76p a fall of 20%. During this time roughly 7% of Vodafone shares have been traded, so roughly 93% of Vodafone shares have not changed hands during May.
So what to make of this.
First Point
As the Vodafone share price is the lowest it's been in years, why would institutions and major shareholders sell at such a low price. You could argue that those selling think the share price will go lower. Fair enough, but according to the numbers those selling are in a small minority. Most shareholders are holding. A more compelling reason for the share price drop is that the Vodafone shares are being shorted and these shorts are spread across numerous hedge funds and their subsidiaries where each short in less than 1%. I expect these shorts will need to be closed soon as the shorts are fairly high risk if E% decide to up their stake or heaven forbid someone bids for the company (most unlikely but neither 0% chance).
Second Point
By the way I am seriously underwater with my Vodafone share purchases as my average buying price is 1.21 and I own a shed load of them. However, I am not too concerned. Back in December last year I was down about 30K on my Rolls Royce shares but in just 10 weeks come 8th March that deficit had turned into well over a 100k profit as the share price moved from 69p to 158p. So long term Vodafone shareholders don't get disheartened. Let's hope the turnaround in the share price happens before the sun turns into a lump of coal (A Dilbert quote when asked how long his project would take)
Nobody buys U.K. shares anymore for gods sake, it’s all utter dross listed on a hated shrinking exchange priced in a terminal decline currency ( thank the brexit scum ) The companies a Jurassic Park of declining business models. You can get 5.5 pc risk free on 3 month US T bills and you chase dividends on shyte to lose two thirds of your capital. Jesus tapdancing christ get the cash back while you can. This is toast, capital raise and dividend suspension will knock .30p off the price.