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hi martyh, i have not seen anything to convince me otherwise. i am quite happy to be proven wrong in my thinking.gla
Nonsense, of course they do, it's a JDP between Paragraf / VDTK and they will have to decide how they want to uae the technology. It seem likely they will want to licence it in future .
Hi camperdown,
Why don't you think VDTK have sole rights to the graphene integrated panels?
Thanks
as i understand it vdtk do not have sole rites to their graphene integrated panels, so why would oxford pv need them?
Perovskite is the next gold standard in efficiency, I believe this will dramatically quicken the death of oil. I understand finalising/standardising the right techniques for mass production is the bigger challenge rather than the direct costs. Hence, apart from Aerospace/Nasa using it on satellites, hasn't hit industry yet (a lot of £ for a few prototypes). Because it's a lab-replication of the properties of a rare natural material, IPs will not hold exclusivity for very long but will make the first players very rich. The nature of big dollar solar farm investments means it makes no sense to go with the older generation panels for a multi-year (multi-decades sometimes) investment. Stampede guaranteed, followed by competition driving costs down, as it should be.
Graphene I think will be the ultimate enhancer, even to already hi-efficiency perovskite panels, eventually. My take is, VDTK is 99% likely to be R&D'ing with perovskite already. Remember perovskite's beauty is the high efficiency coupled with extreme thinness (only 1micron thick is needed...see the parallels with graphene? ;-) .) So you put together portable, durable, flexible, Perovskite and graphene and you get Nasa-grade stuff in an A4 sheet thick panel. BOOM!! Car/Truck roofs, Skyscraper windows...mad potential.
So far Oxford PV and a Chinese firm Microquanta seem to be the first 2 in a race to mass produce Perovskite panels.
Meyer Burger Technology in Switzerland holds 19% of Oxford PV and is one to keep an eye on, as the most direct route to get in on the action! Doesn't hurt either that their shares are still just an inch away from rock bottom at around 0.14CHF. I wouldn't drag my feet here as it's a matter of time before rumours of Oxford PV's IPO start! Look at the BOD and their history, IMHO just a matter of time. Moving from articles greentech/industry publications to an article in The Guardian may be an early clue.
MBT used to be world leader in making the production equipment for Solar PVs , got slaughtered as the Chinese went from students to masters in a few years. They have pinned big hopes on Oxford PV & are also refocusing on making PVs themselves directly to take on China. Oxford PV in turn placed a CHF18M order for production equipment from MBT a year ago, and I sense a Take Over or IPO is coming. The latter is my guess given the presence on the board of other heavy players like Goldwind.
Finally both MBT and Oxford PV are part of the 10 firms selected in the 'Europe Solar Manufacturing Accelerator' Initiave, a big EU push to counter China's embarrassing dominance in the sector.
https://www.solarpowereurope.org/campaigns/manufacturing-accelerator/
A Bon Entendeur, Salut!
Would be good to understand Verditek’s thoughts or maybe this would even compliment the graphene developments?
I was thinking the same. Could this be incorporated in the flexible solar PVs that Verditek produce and increase efficiency of the current system whilst maintaining the flexibility and durability that they have. If not then the Perovskite PVs are no competition for the markets targetted by Verditek.
Or, will this be bettered by a full scale graphene enhanced PV ?
Interesting article posted by Muscorum on the AFC energy board..I wonder if Verditek know about this as an additional feature of their tech ?....
Perovskite.Today 06:03
New solar panels will generate a third more electricity thanks to a UK invention.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/aug/15/uk-firms-solar-power-breakthrough-could-make-worlds-most-efficient-panels-by-2021