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You can buy shares on the 'open' stock market. Or you can trade them privately and separately 'off book', but with these type of trades, you will need to notify the exchange manually. Sometimes they call these 'over the counter OTC' trades.
This can just mean two individuals or companies shared them directly via contract, but to be honest, it is seen as being open to 'concealment' of true intent.
I will be me and will reopen this with the question: can someone explain what does it mean "off-book" and "AT" trades? Could you give some example with a small trade, ordered through a common share trade platform, that would be considered "off-book"? I am just curious, because in this share 100% of trades are considered as "off-book", while I would expect "AT" for most of transactions. Thank you indeed for the answer
No worries, You get a bis swing on trades then you'll get every man and his dog jumpimg on board,
@pebsi,
No need to be negative. I am just trying to understand the differences between "off-book" and "AT" trades. My understanding is that whether I or you put an order through HL or barclays or any other platform, this would appear as AT trade, wouldn't it? So, if there are no AT trades and only off-book trades, what does that mean? Does this mean that the price is lowered artificially by MMs? If yes, why?
Beyond me, Im on HL. Can only trade during 8 til 4.30. I'm sure other people have ways around that?
Ask Adam Hargreaves? He sounds important? Ask him, is he in for the lomg haul?
So if I or you go to our broker website and make an order to sell our shares in the company, this would not count as off-book? That would be automated?
Anyone that tells you that means a conspiracy is lying. It means more people sold than wanted to buy today. I can't say for definite it won't bounce to £1 tomorrow. But I'd bet on it. I would bet that this will have another spike in the next 12 months, Maybe a placing first? The placing maybe at the share price because 'again' the results looked great.
Vp89
An ‘off-book’ trade refers to the process of trading shares away from an exchange or regulated body. They are usually executed via the over-the-counter (OTC) market. Off-book transactions are made directly between two parties, outside or ‘off’ of the order books
Also, all the transactions for today are identified as "Off-book" in the londonstockexchange provided spreadsheet. What does that mean?
so give us the value of your knowledge and tel us the share movement from here
Whereas I can understand the belly aching over losses it seems to me based on the number of people posting at the moment that there are a lot of people who have purchased shares in Val with a weak understanding of the company, the number of people in the trial and how to value the sp. As such it seems that those same people were unable to evaluate the claims of what the SP was likely to be when the update was released. Its a shame but it is always much better to do your research and form your own opinion rather than relying on the posts on here alone.
@Poppie1,
Thanks for the video. It does explain small changes to me, but these 30% negatives... And if they are making money on small changes, what is the difference for them if they make it in a range of 50-60 or 20-30?
Well there's a vote of confidence.
Adam Hargreaves a drug industry professional as opposed to all us jolly speculators has increased his holding to 4%
Obviously you have to sift and research to get as reasonable info as you can. Hth
Hi there is lots of info on market makers and videos on how they manipulate the markets to make money in either direction. I had a link but can’t find it now. Found this which may be of interest.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-zTHKcJEGe8
Many pi's sell an obviously falling share and buy back in later, thus getting more shares.
Hard for P.I s to manipulate the SP, but not so hard for HNW investors
I agree with you, but the question I am asking is how the share price is being lowered? It is hard to believe that the private investors lowered it and even more hard to believe that they could sell at such amount of half-a-company per day for two days. Is it actually herd behaviour then?
VP....... believe it or not, but many people get spooked by a sp going down and yes they sell at a loss, they panic and all they can see is their money going down from been in profit to a loss.They can't see beyond a few days and panic sell
Thanks, Rajbury,
but I am still wondering. Yesterday and half of today the price was going continuously down and there was a huge amount of volume. But increase the volume, someone has to buy first and then sell. And by the price it looks that in the last two days everyone who bought and sold got no profit. Or am I missing something here? Was this share shorted then?
VP89 - MMs make their money on volume; if they manage the spreads carefully, and match the trades well, it doesn't matter which way the price is going. Some PIs practice shorting which amplifies downward pressure on the SP.
Sorry for the newbie questions, but could someone explain:
1. How somebody (MMs, PIs, etc.) makes profit from the price going down?
2. How does the process of pumping the share price up and then letting it into a free fall work to make profit?
I would appreciate comments from somebody experienced in share trading.