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God on twitter, Yoda here ('Value destroyed due to his holiday in Turkey therefore is') and the real Evil Kneivel) (supposed) on AD"FN - the end of time is nigh.........
........and 3 weeks on ocelot still hasn't reviewed the two accounts and said what he found (best not to do research) or explained why MMs would sell them to anyone at a loss when supposedly the order was at 0.125p - although they would still have made a loss.
Is this really the only positive news ocelot can find - someone emulating a known traders 'style' in 2 posts out of 11 some 3 weeks ago?
Ocelot,
Really:- 'so almost all can now accept it is genuine.'
Only those devoid of any sense of shame and haven't investigated the account posting it.
Here's the content of one of the 9 posts from Simon_Cawkwell before 17 June (from 20 November 2018) - the account with the claim of buying 50million shares.
'Skinny Tan gift set mentioned in The Sun page 15'
I would compare that with the thousands of serious posts from Simon Cawkwell (without the underscore) - I got back to 2005 and there were still more - way before the other account with the claim of buying 50 million UKOG shares.
In some ways it's irrelevant as the SP was dropping (and continued to drop after June 17) from the Loxley appeal dedision mini P&D. An attempt by ocelot to prop up the SP by referring to it to mug a few punters.
Looking at the Simon Cawkwell account posts even 'Evil' gets it wrong.
Pathetic.
3 weeks on, Simon Cawkwell's post no. 154236 of Friday evening, 17/06 on advfn has not been deleted, so almost all can now accept it is genuine.
"My 12 months target is 1.5p".
It is an interesting post which may give some cause for reflection.
Legalease,
I did and the account without an underscore had many many posts that the two posts on June 17 in the account with an underscore were trying to emulate, the few other posts in that account being the usual dross on AD*FN..Hardly the history of a well known shorter.
But no answer to the MM acting as a charity supposedly letting someone buy from them so they would be making a loss.
Brilliant ;o)
If someone opened an account on Twitter called "God" and posted that UKOG have discovered 7 gushers in 7 days there would be people posting here that it is the gospel truth that "UKOG have discovered 7 gushers in 7 days" as they have heard it from 'God'.
And, as if by magic, the Tweet appears:
https://twitter.com/iamtherealgod3/status/1546045193278865410
Oh no it wasn't. It was simon_cawkwell.
Clearly it was Simon Cawkwell, you just needed to check the age of the account, and previous posts to understand that.:)
oops,
shouldn't be '13 June' here:-
'two accounts on 13 June AD*FN' > 'two accounts on AD*FN' makes more sense.......
PS ocelot said he has me on filter - but like UKOG who never respond ocelot's posts needs to be responded to.
Ocelot,
obviously doesn't nderstand that the business model of the market makers is that they buy low and sell high - and there was no opportunity for them to buy 50 million shares below 0.123p to sell to someone buying - and there was the small matter that the spead dropped - apparently so the 'sell' would look like a buy - no sorry so that they could gather £30 worth of shares at 0.12p and just under 3,000,000 at 0.122p that afternoon.
But has ocelot checked that it was impossible to provide those 50 million (have a look at the chart the sell price was above 0.125 since 31 May and the claim was the order was put in on June 13 when therange was over 0.14 - no, has he compared the two accounts on 13 June AD*FN, one with the claim a few posts - the other loads of posts that have the right 'feel' - no
Apart from claiming AD*FN wouldn't allow a fake account - he's offered no justification to believe the claimed 'buy' - but what if the other account was from another person with the same name who previously hadn't tried to appear to be Evil Kneivel and had to insert an underscore to use his own name? I found 5 just now on facebook.
Why doesn't ocelot look deeper - like any UKOG 'positive' claim research discovers that certain things just aren't likely - and it's pretty obvious ocelot's level of research consists of copying bits from Bloomberg, AD*FN trade volume, OP, Gas futures, copying UKOG (and ANGS) RNS (without question) and of course barchart.
Any straw ocelot can grasp.
Do you have access to 'Evil Knievil''s trading account or are you just posting what you read on the interweb.
Because obviously it must be true like the earth is flat and the sun is a giant space laser controlled by aliens for Xenu.
Thanks for announcing your departure and admitting you have no concept of share trading and sold making a loss. Good.to know we shouldn't follow any advice you give.
Ocelot,
you're starting to look desperate - this was my reply on 17 June, and nothing has changed in my opinion that it was not the real Simon Cawkwell and not a buy because the MMs would have lost money on the deal.
'Ocelot,
Interesting.
I didn't realise the market was so charitable.
This week the only trades I could find below 0.123p were 3 trades this afternoon totalling £30 and a single trade just under 3 million shares.
Yet an order to 'buy' at 0.125 for 50,000,000 shares was filled at 0.123.
I couldn't understand why the price collapsed this afternoon until that trade appeared. So the spread came down to accomodate that trade??? How does that work?
'Simon Cawkwell (born 1946), aka Evil Knievil is a famous spreadbetter who is highly successful at betting on companies whose share prices he believes are going to fall ('shorting').''
as for
'Volume of 22.4m, 6th biggest volume stock on the market, as per a rival site.'
laughable for a share trading at around 0.11p - I expect every FTSE100 share would beat it on value - nearly 30million (on a rival site0 or about £33,000 - until yesterday I had nearly that in AZN.
"Bought in on a 12-month view: 3 weeks is not 12 months."
Lol.
Been reading posts by people doing that for the last five years.
Not been a particularly good idea so far.
lololol
Bought in on a 12-month view: 3 weeks is not 12 months.
Only someone stupid enough to make out they were the real Simon Cawkwell would buy into here knowing the share was on a downward slide. Whoever it was would be 10% down in the 3 weeks gone. Not sure the real Simon Cawkwell would be that daft unlike some of the wet wipes on here. It was a sell from watching my L2.
Date Time Trade Prc Volume Buy/Sell Bid Ask Value
17-Jun-22 16:06:04 0.123 50,000,000 Unknown* 0.12 0.125 61.50k O
17-Jun-22 16:35:01 0.124 1,577,238 Buy* 0.12 0.125 1,956 UT
17-Jun-22 16:27:51 0.1242 240,000 Buy* 0.12 0.125 298.08 O
17-Jun-22 16:26:18 0.1242 805,152 Buy* 0.12 0.125 1,000.00 O
17-Jun-22 16:26:08 0.1242 7,319,247 Buy* 0.12 0.125 9,091 O
17-Jun-22 16:25:10 0.1242 641,706 Buy* 0.12 0.125 797.00 O
17-Jun-22 16:19:01 0.1242 56,400 Buy* 0.12 0.125 70.05 O
17-Jun-22 16:17:54 0.124 700,000 Buy* 0.12 0.125 868.00 O
17-Jun-22 16:16:24 0.1243 2,006,436 Buy* 0.12 0.125 2,494 O
17-Jun-22 16:15:44 0.124 127,416 Buy* 0.12 0.125 158.00 O
17-Jun-22 16:15:07 0.1245 2,500,000 Buy* 0.12 0.125 3,113 O
17-Jun-22 16:14:37 0.1247 3,007,217 Buy* 0.12 0.125 3,750 O
17-Jun-22 16:13:45 0.1247 100,000 Buy* 0.12 0.125 124.70 O
17-Jun-22 16:11:12 0.1248 461,231 Buy* 0.12 0.125 575.62 O
17-Jun-22 16:07:41 0.1248 801,282 Buy* 0.12 0.125 1,000.00 O
17-Jun-22 16:07:19 0.1245 3,000,000 Buy* 0.12 0.125 3,735 O
17-Jun-22 16:07:16 0.1239 9,323 Buy* 0.12 0.125 11.55 O
17-Jun-22 16:07:15 0.1245 1,997,600 Buy* 0.12 0.125 2,487 O
17-Jun-22 16:06:49 0.1245 2,000,000 Buy* 0.12 0.125 2,490 O
17-Jun-22 16:06:27 0.12 10,000 Sell* 0.12 0.13 12.00 O
17-Jun-22 16:06:27 0.12 4,080 Sell* 0.12 0.13 4.90 O
17-Jun-22 16:06:27 0.12 15,585 Sell* 0.12 0.13 18.70 O
17-Jun-22 16:06:27 0.13 80,000 Buy* 0.12 0.13 104.00 O
17-Jun-22 16:06:27 0.13 150,000 Buy* 0.12 0.13 195.00 O
17-Jun-22 16:06:27 0.13 1,000 Buy* 0.12 0.13 1.30 O
17-Jun-22 15:53:25 0.1239 51,630 Sell* 0.12 0.135 63.97 O
17-Jun-22 15:42:02 0.1257 5,000,000 Sell* 0.12 0.135 6,285 O
17-Jun-22 15:40:23 0.1288 50,000 Buy* 0.12 0.135 64.40 O
17-Jun-22 15:33:52 0.1288 267,861 Buy* 0.12 0.135 345.00 O
17-Jun-22 15:07:49 0.1288 388,198 Buy* 0.12 0.135 500.00 O
17-Jun-22 15:00:45 0.1288 267,407 Buy* 0.12 0.135 344.42 O
17-Jun-22 14:54:31 0.1278 5,000,000 Buy* 0.12 0.135 6,390 O
17-Jun-22 14:54:24 0.1255 5,000,000 Sell* 0.12 0.135 6,275 O
17-Jun-22 14:43:07 0.128 4,091,789 Buy* 0.12 0.135 5,237 O
17-Jun-22 14:41:50 0.128 1,797,750 Buy* 0.12 0.135 2,301 O
17-Jun-22 14:29:02 0.1239 5,000,000 Sell* 0.12 0.135 6,195 O
17-Jun-22 14:28:27 0.1245 500,000 Sell* 0.12 0.135 622.50 O
17-Jun-22 14:26:54 0.1288 776 Buy* 0.12 0.135 1.00 O
17-Jun-22 13:58:34 0.1288 388,198 Buy* 0.12 0.135 500.00 O
17-Jun-22 13:56:59 0.1288 776,397 Buy* 0.12 0.135 1,000.00 O
17-Jun-22 13:54:05 0.129 4,000,000 Buy* 0.12 0.135 5,160 O
17-Jun-22 13:44:50 0.1225 2,941,453 Sell* 0.12 0.135 3,603 O
17-Jun-22 13:44:50 0.225 -2,941,453 Unknown* 0.12 0.135 -6,618 O
17-Jun-22 13:4
Don't you mean simon_cawkwell? A totally different ID from the Simon Cawkwell on ADVFN.
For those interested in Simon Cawkwell's post of Friday evening, 17/06 on advfn, it's on the thread with lots of posts and go to: 154236.
Penguin, your explanation of that large trade sounds incredible, sounds like something from the Dianne Abbott school of economics, did Swizzy help you with that one, if it was a sell you have no idea at what price they were bought at (average or otherwise) if it was a buy the price is there for all to see.
Volume of 22.4m, 6th biggest volume stock on the market, as per a rival site.
Some people never grow up. Off to the beach.
Ocelot,
The idea that Simon Cawkwell would have 2 accounts, one which was well used in the past and had serious posts and one which was filled with the usual rubbish posted on AD**N is absurd.
Of course it was the 'rubbish' account that claimed the trade which was almost certainly a sell was a buy.
Why do I say it was a sell - at the time I investigated the trades for the week and there were very few at a lower price so an intermediary(Market maker) would have been selling at a loss at 0.123p when the business model is to profit from the margin between what they sell at a (buys in the market) and buy (sells in the market) shares.
Looking at history ocelot seems to have become more desperate clutching at ever more fragile straws as the SP sinks - I'm starting to think ocelot doesn't sell on the P&D which ocelot so often joins in on which would make him - well I'll leave that to others - rather than the assumed market operator guise.
No. Just someone extracting the Michael out of you.
24/7 it's weird.
Because you think ocelot is a well-known trader and short-seller known to lse?
You flatter me.