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Welshfalcon... I get your description of how vaccinations work.
I am not anti vax but certainly won't get any covid vaccine.
The reason being is that there is absolutely no long term testing and as I am at relatively no risk and already having covid I see taking the vaccine is a risk and one that I am not prepared to take.
I think anyone dubious of this vaccine isn't necessarily anti vax and unfair to put these type of people in an anti vax box.
Oil.... I agree, I also personally know someone too who caught Covid twice (6 months apart).
Matt... I also think we could even be days away from some significant news..... the after hours trades have been extraordinary in the last couple of weeks, together with the big dip last week followed by Friday afternoon's surge.... made more pronounced against the background carnage of the equities market that day.... and TT's downward chart analysis. I have followed Tornadotony in the past and his analysis is reliable (two out of two of his tips gave me 40 & 50% in just a few weeks, he also saved me diving into another far too early... and it's still dropping!).
I have had covid just the once and it really screws up your taste & smell, The beef is in the slow cooker here, And it smells Vile.
I think this is more regular than people think. I personally know someone who has had COVID twice.
Org, imo the people that may of got it twice actually got seasonal respiratory disease, reassigned Covid.
Flu has vanished :-)
Andy, I will try and find the link, it was on TalkRADIO, Mike Graham was talking about it. It’s only a case if they have edited like they did the Peter Hitchens interview.
So going back to the original question which was wether 100% of people needed vaccination. Clearly there is antibody resistance similar or better than that offered by vaccination.
The chances of getting reinfected a second time are a lot lower (83% ?).
But then living as a student and working in a hospital setting where sick people end up with Coronavirus there is fair to say a greater risk of getting reinfected given the increased viral loads etc maybe?
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.13.21249642v1
Prof sorry I may have missed your point.
I have never heard this assertion from a ‘Dr’ before is it corroborated anywhere ?
Baffyman - you are correct on this. Also take a look at the stats. Average death numbers between 2017 and 2019 in England and Wales and compare it to total deaths from December 2019 yo November 2020 inclusive the excess deaths is just over 60,000. Official stats.
Andy,
Your son is in a rare group to contract the virus twice, last month I heard on the radio (words from Dr) the count was only 6
This death rate is one of the arguments that Anti vaxers focus on, it is only one side of the equation, however, and ignores the whole picture.
So. Assume there was 100% vaccination. Let's say the vaccine turns out to be just as effective as the Flu vaccine, around 50%.
This doesn't mean only 50% of the 113.9m get infected, far from it. If you get infected and don't know it - asymptomatic, you go about your normal routine. Shopping, work, family etc. etc. You may well infect a number of people, but post full vaccination, you can only infect 50% of the number you could previously. They in turn can only infect 50% and so on. The net effect is that the infection rate reduces dramatically. You will actually get close to only 25 % of the 113.9m. So, assuming the same 2.2% death rate, you only have 626,000 deaths. Quite a difference.
This is what the vaccination thrust is all about, reducing the sustained transmission rate as well as reducing the severity of those infected.
Please do not insult the intelligence of normal people by trotting out the mantra of "it is a legitimate question". It is a focus on only part of the equation designed to promote the anti-vax view.
I think Baffyman was simply asking a legitimate question?
I have tried to get you to reflect on a tendency to go in guns blazing and **** folk off but it obviously hasn’t worked.
One of my sons who is a med student was pondering the same question just last night. He’s had the virus twice and as a result will now have developed some level of antibody resistance. He is a very bright guy and was unsure what if any benefit having a vaccine would have which is only trying to mimic what his body will have already done ?
So yes is it sensible to vaccinate 100% of the population?
Welshfalcon. I have had my jab and was happy to do so, however I think it’s insulting to class someone as an anti-vaxer just because they have questions about the vaccination program.
Baffyman has a valid concern and if I am honest some things seem a little odd. Like why the government seem to be pushing the vaccination 100% and hardly mentioning a totally harmless therapeutic. Yes I know it’s still going through trails etc but the silence from the government is deafening.
People have different opinions but let’s not throw insults about .
Its a Sunday. The Anti Vaxers are here..... Plus ca change?
Vaccines will slow down transmission dramatically, leaving a manageable number who need treatment. The Long Covid problem is reduced by the use of vaccines too.
I guess you'll come back again with some more previously debunked random theories......
"The coronavirus has killed over 2.52 million people and infected more than 113.9 million globally."
That's a death rate of 2.2% of people who get infected.
Why vaccinate 100% of people,
WHEN you can give a therapeutic to those that show signs of severe infection??
It's surely a no-brainer, especially when you don't know about long term effects of the vaccine.
The coronavirus has killed over 2.52 million people and infected more than 113.9 million globally. Here are the virus-related developments for February 27:
We have some ways to go, get it rolled out start saving lives
Italy's government has ramped up restrictions in five of the country's 20 regions in an effort to head off a rise in Covid-19 cases as scientists warned of a growing prevalence of highly contagious new variants.
Brazil registers 65,169 new cases and 1,337 deaths
Czechs confined to their districts as infections soar
US President Joe Biden said on Friday that Covid-19 cases and hospitalisations could go back up as new variants emerge
South Africa reports 1,654 new cases, 117 deaths
Brazil's capital goes into lockdown to quell Covid-19 surge
And on and on and on
https://www.trtworld.com/life/italy-tightens-covid-19-curbs-in-several-regions-latest-updates-44569
New Mexico sees its most new cases in weeks