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Bermuda I'm sorry. I don't get that ? The differences in the dpm rates with Japan are near 'supersonic', but of course there are compensating (and exacerbating) factors.
Just on one point, (clearly explained in the link you provided earlier - a positive), the Govt dismissed, ridiculed, played with, the benefits of face masks, (oh sorry, we can't call them that, they are 'face coverings, PMSL), and there we are.
Japan has 1/15th the dpm. OF COURSE, there will be other factors, but face masks etc. etc. are relevant.
I'm off, today a bike ride 30 km in 32C, at home caught a snake, (not Ruckus Rover), had a good meal with a beer in an ice bucket, listened to A Morrisette and Chris Rea with a beer on the terrace and now it's time for 'Death in Paradise' on BBC iP.
I know you are not suggesting that the virus knows if it's in Japan or the UK - but IMHO we should learn what we can from elsewhere and some of it was bl**ding obvious. ATB
Fair comment but my point was that the Japanese themselves /the World's top infectious disease experts don't know the reason for Japan's success - they don't know what they've done differently to cause it, so what lessons can you possibly learn and how do you know they're the right ones for a European country?
Krafty - with respect it's you that make things political - I'm just looking at facts and asking questions. I see you note - 'Yes Japan have come out of this well . . .' so although there are differences, comparatives are valid. For the rest, my comment to Berm below applies. ATB
Bermuda - "You'd surely have to look to our closer European neighbours." On the contrary, let's look at Countries that have done so much better than we have and see what they did differently - maybe then we can learn from them. Re. Europe maybe one for a post at the weekend. ATB
They have the lowest obesity rate in the world. This may suggest other health benefits come into play - diet for instance. When I worked a Nissan many years ago, if you had a cold you wore a mask - this was the custom. So they probably already had behaviour that was compatible with infection control and social distancing. There may be genetic factors we don't know about. I'm sure about agreeing to disagree - I think many here think you are just plain WRONG!
TF, first of all, my main point was that because the government is on the back foot, we could benefit as a good news story to deflect the bad news. Secondly i have always said the western world are all relatively close in terms of DPM, (Europe and the Americas) are within 20% or so of each other, so to pick on UK is just an anti Boris, anti Tory point scoring exercise. Yes Japan have come out of this well but we are not Japanese or South East Asian.
Japan is an outlier - even their own experts don't understand why they are doing so well. Well worth having a read of the article below. So it's hard to see how Japan can be held up as a fair comparison for any country (even if comparisons are possible). You'd surely have to look to our closer european neighbours.
You make a valid point regarding "daily price movements". Of course, we'd all like to see blue. Maybe "daily price fluctuations" would have been a better choice of words.
Your comparison of dpm is not valid as has been shown many times before. There is a mind blowing disparity between the size of a mouse and the size of an elephant! Use a different unit of measure and it becomes even bigger!
Krafty re. your much admired 08.32 and this . . . "what is . . . . beyond doubt is that the government vaccine strategy from day 1(March 2020) has helped us get of this mess". There's a lot of enthusiasm around to support this 'all's well' 'pat on the back' stance and myself, I'm not quite sure why . . .
I do agree in so much as the Govt made a good appointment in Kate Bingham as head of the VTF and to their credit, backed her fully in the thrust to get the vaccines out there. I shudder to think where we would have been without that effort.
As for the rest, unfortunately the UK's 2193 dpm looks sad against one reasonable comparison, Japan 146 dpm with 1/15th of the UK's toll. Of course there are differences in environmental, cultural and recording factors around the World, but, nevertheless, such disparities, are mind blowing, to say the least.
That's 1/15th. Now I expect to be roundly abused by the usuals for replying - but - you started it! LOL Sorry M8. ATB
Whoever the PM is, they could do with cashing in on the kudos of Covidity. Excellent point krafty. It reminds me of Trump standing at the lectern wallowing (like a great ‘tangoed walrus?’) as the first gen vaccines were rolled out.
When we do hear the update on Covidity if Scancell can say 'Well Tolerated', 'Evidence of Spike Protein Antibodies' and 'Evidence of newly generated 'T' Cells against both the Spike and Nucleocapsid Proteins' then the government will be lauding Covidity as the best thing since sliced bread. Plus claiming that it was the British Government that backed the science and hence the success.
In brief, that's all we need, a good positive update that Covidity is doing what it says on the tin.
So not long to go until interim results and potential update on SA trial. For me what is interesting is how the government has changed its tone on the way it is dealing with the Pandemic as to how we are going to live with covid. It seems to be free to communicate what it knows about a universal vaccine. 4th jabs seems to be off the table and long term solutions are now the order of the day. The facts are the government did invest in our project and there could be good political capital to be gained from broadcasting this and getting fully behind our vaccine if the interim results come good. What better than a universal vaccine with better durability for helping us live with the virus. I am sure there are many different views on 'partygate" here and for me whatever happens happens but what is for me beyond doubt is that the government vaccine strategy from day 1(March 2020) has helped us get of this mess and Covidity is an evolvement of this as a long term solution to living with the virus.