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Well best wshes to her, yeah went through a fair bit of radiotherapy, that sounds a lot, I think mine was 9 sessions every other day, very hard going.
C7, thank you for your kind enquiry.
The radiotherapy can’t be stopped once started. The other factor is my son in law got fired from his job (for having time off to care for his wife) so the bupa is only available during his notice period and then stops so has to be done quick.
She is on day 21 of 30, only nine to go.
Afernoong Guys, many sensible posts today and I think we are all understanding far better what we are deling with here.
The latest death number here is 536 one third up on previous day, but the important figure is that 7% more people have been tested and 17% have been tested positive. According to two scientists on Sky that shows we are no where near a plateau.
Just woken up myself but yesterday three people told me family members have COVID19, of which one has sadly passed, I would have thought more ofus are starting to hear of someone closer to us who has this virus.
Ruck, wishing yours well, and wondering how your daughter in law is recovering, and perhaps has her follow up appointments been hindered by the resources being put into COVID 19. It is one of my worries that those who have been diagnosed with cancer at all stages will suffer as a result of something which is the fault of nobody IMHO, as are many other known diseases and conditions.
I don"t know about you guys but I have put on 10 kilos since Xmas Day so decided last week was a good time to lose 15. Five days on 3 kilos lighter. Might as well do something positive through this, Yeah it is still vanity for me, but my breathing already feels a wee bit easier and I read in Violin Dogs post about mortalities in overweight people, that gave me the spur I needed.
Violin Dog, I hope you are bearing up as well as you can, the mental horror of this will scar many, I send you my warmest regards as I do everybody here.
Keep safe, don"t go stir crazy, it is amazing what we learn about ourselves in whatever stages of isolation we are in. ATVB
I've been told by my son that there are reports that the German figures differ because if the person who has died was terminally ill and had CV he or she is recorded of dieing from that underlying condition. We record anyone who is tested positive to CV and then dies as down to CV.
As has been said only after the human race has dealt with this hideous virus will we be able to compare data.
Now is not the time.
Bermuda, sorry I didn’t appreciate it was a deaths to population ratio. The factors affecting this would be:
Population demographic - age, vulnerability
Population density - natural interaction
Policy - enforced isolation.
This is something that will touch all of us. My sister in law is quite ill but not hospitalised, she is an NHS nurse. A colleague has just told me his brother is in intensive care.
Hope everyone stays safe.
No, the death rate I was referring to was the number of deaths per 1 million of population and therefore nothing to do with testing.
It is quite simple. The death rate is the number of deaths divided by the number of cases. The death rate is accurately known. The number of cases is not known. In the stats it is the number of confirmed cases. They can only be confirmed through testing. The more you test, the more cases you will find and the lower the (apparent) death rate.
I don't know why Germany's death rate is lower than the UK's. Nor do I know why France, Belgium and the Netherlands rate is more than double that of the UK or why Switzerland and Luxembourg have higher rates than the UK. I won't even mention Italy or Spain. The very best brains in the world haven't yet worked it out yet and I suspect it will be down to a combination of many factors. However, I wouldn't dream of claiming this as evidence that the UK are handling the crisis better than those countries.
By the way, you really don't need to tell me about serious consequences.
The ratio of cases to deaths in Germany is about 100 to 1 whilst in the UK it is more like 15 to 1.
Now, if we are comparing apples with apples that seems like a big difference.
Are Germany doing more testing?
Are they more efficient at tracing the contacts people have made?
You see a similar ratio in Austria.
I mention testing and tracing contacts since these were the methods South Korea used to bring the outbreak under control .
So perhaps Germany and Austria copied the South Korea methods and did it quickly.
It certainly looks like some nations are being pro-active whilst others are reactive. I'm just trying to understand why some nations seem to be better than others at controlling the virus.
One thing is certain, our NHS doctors and nurses deserve all the credit they get.
And no criticism for our experienced scientists advising the government.
I did have a more technical response to you but it got wiped before posting. Why do our leaders read PPE?
It’s due to politics ruling the roost. These people on the committees are professionally brilliant. However at the end of the day it’s about politics.
What comes out of political meetings isn’t always scientific. It’s nothing to do with the political class regarding scientists as functionaries.
Why hasn’t the government acted earlier? The government can sack scientists so they call the tune. I’ve seen it in action in another government. Look at why the previous chief scientific officer resigned.
This is a philosophical discussion with serious consequences and results here are poor compared to Germany. So why are we different. There are similarities but not an exact match. That’s how you rubbish the opposition. That’s politics. Not science.
I thought that herd immunity had been ditched - are you suggesting that exposing support staff is a good idea?
U need to calm down ...
""" It means that the support staff not on the wards will be exposed to the virus as air (and the associated droplets) will circulate throughout the facility."""
Couldn"t agree more Bermuda
Too many people like to see conspiracies where there are none, and the current fashion is very much to want to be part of a group that is a victim of something - 'oh poor me' syndrome, as seen here on occasion too.
Before you start accusing NERVTAG of sanitising the minutes of their meetings, please just take 5 minutes to read the bios of the members of the group and then take another 5 to double check with timelines of announcements by the World Health Organisation. To make it easy, I have added links below to the group membership and the bio of Peter Horby, the Chair.
This debate has nothing whatsoever to do with politics or defending the Government. It's about trying to stem the tide of folks trying to rewrite history and the constant undermining of some of the very best scientists this country and indeed the world has to offer.
And minutes of meetings aren’t sanitised? He who writes the minutes controls the agenda. We’ll have to wait on the Inquiry.
The timelines don’t look clever.
There was complacency here which no doubt will be blamed on China, immigrants and the EU. The Germans seem to be doing so much better at stemming the tide.
I think you may have missed the point I was trying to make.
Your link had a lot of detail about particle sizes - the Nightingale Hospitals are preparing mass wards; trapping and removing airborne particles from the environment safely will be critical and I expect that they will have had insufficient time to install negative air pressure systems.
It means that the support staff not on the wards will be exposed to the virus as air (and the associated droplets) will circulate throughout the facility.
its simple bermuda, he reads it in the "manual" to create a sterile environment using negative Air Pressure, so that the building only draws in air through filters and expels air only through filters....
except its a bit over the top ........... in this instance .. and would be impossible to achieve in a building 1km long ...
however as the entire Nightingale building is specific to one Virus and the staff are isolated against it ... not sure what the point he is trying to make ... who are you trying to protect .. ?
You're going to have to explain that one to me, not sure how it fits in with my previous post
I suppose it is like expecting the Nightingale Hospitals to have negative air pressure on the mass wards...
Would strongly recommend that anyone forming judgements on the UK's response to Coronavirus spend just half an hour of their time reading back through the minutes of the meetings held by The New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (NERVTAG). The group is made up of the UKs very best scientific experts and its role is to advise government on new virus threats.
You can check for yourself what information was available from China and the World Health Organisation and when it became available.
An interesting take on statements made by our Government: