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Yes. You all make reasoned valid points for debate. I readily concede that. But & there's always a but and with me it's usually the size of kim Kardashians. These the exact same sentiments people on Tesco , Vodafone & the banks were saying. This time next year, 2 years time, just have patience, it's a great company etc etc. Banks share price & dividend will never return to previous levels. Nor will interest rates. Tesco & Vodafone just meandering along going nowhere. RDS rose from £9 in march to nearly £15 so rapidly, did it not. Well I'll predict it will not do so this time. Maybe we get lucky with a merger or takeover rumours to push price up. But miracles have been outlawed & I don't get that lucky. So I believe 1 by 1 you'll become has dispondant as the Tesco & Vodafone holders. The odd rise & good news will bring wildly optimistic predictions of a big breakout. Only for the reality to click back in. Vodafone had not bad results last time. Share price rose to over £1 30. Suddenly the talk was off £1 50 +. Soon reality bites & now it's just over £1. It's human nature to have hope. That's because most humans just can't face reality. Only time can prove me wrong in these matters. Not posts that while well constructed & informative , are exactly the same sentiments of Vodafone & Tesco posters. That's your belief. I'm be ecstatic if you were right, but unfortunately history tells me all to gruesomely you won't be. Let's see what time proves & brings.
Yes, i really should give up working for you.
‘The only thing in common is that the share price has dropped and dividend cut(1000s of companies). The similarities really do end there.’
Correct. Char has apparently experienced a number of investments that have climbed the heights only to subsequently go into decline. It isn’t unusual is it? And it understandably informs his opinions - especially when he repeatedly sees the same pattern of baffled and unfulfilled shareholder optimism. Most investors will have experienced the misery when a ‘sure-fire’ and solid investment goes into decline and they suddenly realise that they’ve left it too late to exit. It’s not easy making the ‘pull out at a loss’ decision. People do tend to find ‘reasons to believe’ that their investment will turn around and so remain invested only to suffer an even bigger hit. RDS could conceivably be another in that very long list: die hards -‘believers’ -will rubbish that idea and pounce on the likes of Char - who is speaking from the perspective of his bad experiences. It’s not vastly dissimilar to religious argument on either side: few, if any, facts, lots of faith and lots of passion. It’s also a waste of time. RDS, like any investment, needs to be judged objectively, without personal baggage, in the context of, amongst other things, an individual’s exposure, average sp and timescale. If you have a massive RDS holding at £25 per share your targets and management strategy should probably be very different to those of a newbie who’s recently arrived with an average sp of under £12. My advice would be to watch tomorrow’s price action - it’s at a critical phase - rather than waste time arguing with or trying to understand Char: he has already made his mind up, you can't influence him (why would you need to?) and you either agree with him or you do not.
Notice Char never responds in evening. Probably roaming the streets with Sandwich Board over his shoulders with "World is Doomed" written on it.
Indeed. Char says so much, yet says absolutely nothing. I am still struggling to understand why it is specifically shell this poster has a problem with. All oilers are facing exactly the same macro issues and it goes without saying this will not change overnight.
The comparison with banks is just nonsensical. They all got diluted to oblivion and some state owned. However if you look at the market cap, especially the US banks, they are all well above 2007 peaks. Now i very much doubt RDSB will need to go down the RI route. That would be the point to run for the hills and admit defeat re shell ever returning back to £20. Vodafone got browbeaten in terms of technology, tesco had that massive accounting scandal and the rise of lidl/aldi. I don't understand where or how you can make comparisons to a company that deals in a commodity. The only thing in common is that the share price has dropped and dividend cut(1000s of companies). The similarities really do end there.
As long as oil and demand recovers, however long that may take, there should be no reason why revenues should not be what they were prior, therefore SP. A recovery in profits would also mean a recovery in dividends (all be it very slow considering investments that need to be made). With a company dealing in commodities, if the underlying commodity goes up, SP goes up. Commodity goes down, SP goes down. Probably about 70-80% of SP movement is directly related to the underlying commodity/commodity outlook.
I’m struggling to understand who Char is arguing with to some extent. He is prophesising the SP will go low and stay low because this happened before: some have disagreed and explained so, one hour average asked for a little more reason other than because it happened to other companies, but I don’t hear violent disagreement.
He did call the dividend cut, at a time when a large number of FTSE companies cut their dividend. At the time some said Shell would cut, others thought not. Again, I don’t recall violent disagreement or anyone ridiculing Char for his forecast... just a few asking him not to repeat it so much.
AT the end of the year Char will point out he’s right that the SP hasn’t reached 1600. I don’t recall many saying it will, although some did state it would recover quicker.
I do echo previous questions in that if Char has such foresight, and Shell is doomed, why did he invest in the first place, or why hasn’t hasn’t he bailed?
You make very valid points. Things will probably not be the same for a while especially sp but let me ask you one thing .... what do Tesco / vodaphone / Sainsbury’s n others have in common apart from job losses and divi cuts ??
Bp/ shell will always have its customers but more y portably they all all consumer stocks ..... fixed price products ......
I can bet my life that sometime over the next few years oil will flip to the upside with possible causes being an outbreak of War or production de rises from open etc etc and $60 will surely be hit .... in bit with the $100 crew because that’s cuckoo land.
At $60 a barrel these will be £18 a share.
As often happens here. Were at cross purposes. Granted I'm not the best at conveying my views clearly. At no point have I blamed RDS for their demise. Cv19 & the suadi v Russia oil prices spat could not be blamed on RDS. It was clear then the dividend would have to be cut. Indeed RDs were well ahead of the game with their restructuring & cuts 2 years back. The share buy backs were at high share price, but it's saving them big amounts now. People get confused when I mention Vodafone , Tesco, Sainsbury's etc etc. I know their nothing alike. But use them to illustrate that once a company his in decline it rarely recovers previous share price or previous dividend. As for the fundamentals of BP & RDS, I'm no where near qualified to answer. I judge every company on profits & loss. But once the rot has set in its neighbours on impossible for company to recover to previous profits.
Thank you. Your still so obsessed with my posts. Your just in denial at me being right in my predictions of this going down. You can' handle the fact I predicted the dividend cut. Theirs no rules as to what amount and the same content. So tough titty. I'll carry on making my predictions. You do has you wish. Carry on gurning. People keep saying give it a year. Now on the advfn boards, it's give it 2 years. But most people have come to realize this dropped to below £9, with a dividend of 47¢. So what can it fall to now. All shares react in the exact same way when things get rough. After banking crisis, every analyst on CNBC & Bloomberg said it will take 3-5 years for them to get back to where they were. 13 years on & two hundred & fifty thousand job losses many thousands branch closures, various cut backs & their still a million miles away from 2007/8. Tesco, Dave Lewis did a good job to arrest the slide of customers leaving in their droves. Tesco now doing well during cv19. Share price & dividend no where near . Big discounts on prices, dividend cut. Mass job losses, many store closures. Cut backs on opening hours etc etc. Share price & dividend still no where near b4 previous levels. Ditto Sainsbury's. Vodafone, complete waste of 7 billion in India. Cut dividend, big job losses. Huge streaming, cuts, discounted bundles. Still no where near predividend levels. So now RDS & BP have this master plan. Cut dividend , big job losses, cut costs etc etc. So why oh why is the same strategy gonna work any different to all the others. Why are they gonna buck the trend. People have for 12 months keep saying it will all come good. That's exactly what people said about a the banks , Tesco , Sainsbury's & Vodafone. Dream on. Many many many just in denial. No one would be happier than me to see £17. But that's just folly. No £16 this year. On 31st December or earlier I will predict next year's share price. For all those in denial, switch off b4 then, as the truth often offends.
Allow me to be rude and answer in char333 place:
You have both hit his spot, so no reply that makes any sense will be forthcoming.
- He hasn’t talked about buying a share in the last 18months.
- He admits several times, that absolutely every share he has ever purchased has crashed and he has lost virtually everything. All we know is that he said he purchased “some” RSDB at about £25quid & £18quid. Most of us think he bailed out at some point as that was all the cash he had left.
- No, we dont think he holds any stock of any value at all. Potentially a small amount of RDSB
- His prime reason to consistently post is too needle others, with the sole intent that they post back. This allows him to write utterly opposing thoughts to create an argument.
- He has no real understanding of what stock market trading is or what underpins their share price.
- His motivation on here is not to seek dialogue. He simply plays the role of the agitator. He seeks to disturb the flow of credible conversation that is taking place on any given day on this board and he does it via the auspices of “free speech” But then cries fowl when others then castigate his useless posting.
- He won’t filter anyone as he adores the sound of his own voice.
Yes, some of what he writes is valid at some point! But to quote a silly old adage - Even a broken clock is right twice a day. If he repeats his posts as often as he does, then at some point he will be accurate.
To write 850 odd posts, almost identical in content with a generic anger running through the words, and to do it consistently over a number of years means that you are unwell. Those that have tried to be sympathetic to him this week, will turn like everybody else. They have to. He is unapproachable and angry. Full of vitriolic rhetoric about shares he has lost that are long gone. . He is the gambler in the western movies, sitting on his own at the end of the bar...desperate for someone to say the wrong thing so he can draw his gun...
Apologies for the arrogance of answering a question I was not asked. Also appreciate these are only my thoughts - well, lots of peoples thoughts actually, but the facts have been collated from his own postings.
Noce post allatsea. Char could you please perhaps let us know (on a like for like basis) why you think shell will continue to underperform the wider oil market, or are you merely using shell as a proxy regarding the oil market in general? It just makes no sense comparing this to vodafone, aldi, lidl ect. It's just nonsensical. Please give us some like for like fundamental issues!
For example, what makes you think shell will underperform compared to say BP (which I believe have now touched their march low) and XOM. It's all well and good you not liking shell, but amongst all your chat you actually say very very little regarding why you think shell will underperform. You are purely fixated on the SP when as a matter of fact, this trend is not systemic to shell! If shell was moving opposite to BP or XOM, that would indicate a fundamental issue with shell, but considering BP and XOM have a higher yield, if anything investors appear to be valuing shell more than these (or lack of trust these yields can be sustained).
Please provide more insight into your distain for shell like for like without mentioning the SP.
I've been half-following what you say and so I probably missed a bit. May I ask what stake you have in RDSB, if any? I just feel if you own this stock, going on your opinion you'd have done better to take the hit by now. If you still have a stake then why?
If you do not have a stake then why spend a lot of time suggesting this is a basket case? I haven't noticed you giving hard information to back up your position other than mentioning other companies that are currently floundering. Clearly structural changes are bad news for retail and the pandemic is bad news for oil companies but I see the former as permanent and hope the latter will be solved. Vodafone overreached itself in my view, I got out with a small loss some years back. I don't see that Shell has the same problem.
So yes, why are you preaching your gospel so ardently?
This BB is not about grammar, spelling, where one lives, what one does. Who gives a not about where the apostrophe goes. I'll tell you who. Someone
narrow minded, small minded, who can't stand someone being right in alot of their predictions. So in their bullying little world they try to pick petty faults or make snide comments on the above in a vain attempt to make me stop posting. How terrible small if you. Well you've failed. Down yet again. A sure sign of a crap share is one that goes down on stock market up days.
Hi. Thx for your comments & support. I have no intention of filtering anyone. Never have on any website & never will. People can say whatever they want. I sleep easy as I know with my posts they just can't stomach it. That's enough for me. This share goes down when stock markets climb. Oil not doing well in USA. All that talk a while back about people getting out of over bought tech & into much loathed oil shares or defensive stocks. Well RDS has just continued to fall. This is now in the region of meandering along going no where quickly. Just like Vodafone, Tesco Sainsbury's etc etc. And no amount of positive thinking, cost cutting, etc etc Will drive it back to £16 anytime soon. People will talk the talk, just like they did regards the above stocks. But 1 by 1 the penny will drop, but not as quickly as the RDS share price. & They'll conclude the old RDS is dead in the water & this isn't the company of old. Van burdens comments yesterday exactly the same guff as stated in hard times previously 10, 20,30 years ago. Corporate crap.
Ahaa, There you go char - you've found a little friend!
Somebody has actually asked you to carry on commentating on RDSB.
Just to be clear though - Boyobach - Did you mean to write pathetic or sympathetic? Easy mistake to make.
Well, I am sorry then. I must apologise. I thought char was just plain simple. And yet, it turns out he is an incredible psychic!! A fortune teller . Our very own Mystic Meg.
Just one question....Why is it that he is so broke as he openly acknowledges he has lost ALL his cash on shares.....
Feel free to follow chars advice... I am sure there is room in his caravan for two.
So, you want to quote char's accuracy..... Well, Ive had a good look at this Sarah Sutton, when I eventually found her (I like her style by the way ) WE seemed to think alike. My shares were bequeathed to me, so they own me nothing. Still wouldn't mind them being £20, but it doesn't matter one way or the other. I can still afford Agent Provocateur underwear , so I am not in a panic...
So, to quote SaraSutton - This is a small cross section of char333 accuracy , modesty and stupidity.... in 2020 posting
" I say somewhere around £27 or slightly higher this year , tops. But at today’s £23 that would be a good investment”
(Char333 et al. 8th Jan 2020 12:57)
….and one of my favourites:
"The fact remains I've been buying shares for well over £25 years. So I’ve alot of experience of when a shares had its day”
(Char333 et al. 27 Feb 2020 12:57). *** Love It ***
Hi, I could be wrong , but I rarely am. This will be back down to around £22 by the time the dividend is paid imo.
(char333 - sometime early this year...)
Yep, knock yourself out with those beauties....
Rach (Char in reverse) has been on again I guess? Most of us don't hassle you Char, so give yourself and those of us that are sympathetic to you a break: find the filter tab at the top of these posts and type in the names of the ones who wind you up. Then just go back to commenting on RDS. Job done.
And, yes, you were right back in March when you told SarahSutton1 (who only posted for a month and primarily about you) and everyone else here that RDS would not see £20 again this year. ATB
That just about sums most of you people on here. You have a go at my spelling , grammar, lack of literacy etc etc. Yet if my posts are so poor, how come you can't help commenting on them continually. Making snide remarks continually. Obsessed with me has a person, as to what I do live, etc etc. You just can't abide the fact that I was right about about RDS going down. The dividend being cut. Many other predictions being right. You just can't silence me. Yet for someone so thick you lap my posts up & can't get enough of them. Never ever have I took delight in any share I own going down, ever. Or anyone else for that matter. But as on the Vodafone thread , when what most of what I predicted comes to pass , none of you can handle the fact that this thicko was right & you all were wrong. As someone on here so succinctly put it the day the dividend was cut. "Char333 right yet again" , his words not mine. All your jibes just have zero effect because I know your gurning because I keep telling you the truth & you can't face it. Your so weak it's untrue. So carry on doing as you wish & I'll carry on being right in most my predictions. Remember I said this wouldn't make £16 this year. No one & I mean no one would be more pleased than me to be wrong, but I won't be. And that is your problem , not mine. You just can't abide someone so stupid proving many many people wrong. And that's the reality of the situation. Carry on with your positive thinking, it's all's you have, in truth.I'll carry on proving you wrong.
Not sure what has happened here.? .. Anyway. Where was I?
You are likely to be bright, articulate well informed and you have a couple of grands worth of posts under your belt, but not that many on the RDSB board.
Everything you say about char333 is accurate. char gets alot of pleasure when the RDSB share price crashes, or if folks have a bad day. He revels in glee as he can taunt and rant at those on here that are struggling adn searching for help. This is his only weapon, and he uses it effectively to hurt when someone is already hurting. These are not great qualities of a human.
The problem is if you try and talk or debate with him, he comes to life - loves the interest others show in him. He posts more - rapidly - even more ridiculous stuff, because it gives him the one thing he craves to feel on here more than anything else..
Equal in stature and intelligence. For all his dislike of Trump, he is super-similar. Both have a craving to be accepted as all powerful, and intellectually gifted.
Of course, he isn’t. He is illiterate, lives in a caravan and presents with an incredibly low level of mental intellect and self awareness. You don't have to take my word for it, you can see or will see quickly, that on the whole he is overlooked and members post around him. He is heavily filtered.
He believes that being incredibly filtered and ignored makes him special…Getting the picture?
You must of course make you own mind up, but for someone like yourself, who has acumen, is trying to integrate and post quality debate regarding RDSB, you will find him, and me, a complete ball ache. I urge you to filter both of us now - just to save you doing it later.
Char 333 is best left to those on here who dont mind taking a pop at him. He is simple to offend and agitate due to the high level of easy entry points there are when it comes to replying to him.
He cant’ stand to be considered as inferior, or irrelevant but, sadly, he wasn't blessed with the right mental plug sockets and wiring. The fuse blew a while back I am afraid.
So, you find people hack away at his trailer park vocabulary and his inability to spell or count to ten because he is ridiculously simple to unpick when you understand what makes him tock.
Right! Lets go and have a look at what the genius has put together today then….
Rachel (Or Sarah?! Hell, Ill answer to anything)
Char333: For whatever reason you appear to have attracted some regrettable trolling activity. Reacting to it simply feeds those who taunt you and can be counterproductive . Most people here can see what has been going on and the individuals concerned are unlikely to continue their provocation under the same names. By all means post your views about RDS and engage in the discourse but I suggest you don’t engage with those who bait you as it simply encourages more of the same.
But your Shell predictions haven't come to pass, Char333. That's the point; you are absolutely convinced you're right and time will tell whether you are or are not. However, in the meantime, anyone who has a contrary opinion to you, gets your thoughts repeated again and again. Anyone who continues to disagree with you is 'in denial', or 'can't hack the truth'. and you'll point out how you'll be right. Bottom line = nobody knows what will happen in 12 months or 18 months etc. Its all speculation.
You don't seem to appreciate that you don't have evidence of what will happen to Shell; you can only compare the current scenario to a dis-similar (non-covid) scenario, against companies from the non oil & gas sector, eg Vodafone. Again, you may end up being right but you might not. I think people accept the former, but get a little tired of it being repeated ad nauseum. However, you don't seem capable of accepting the latter.
In sum, I personally welcome your thoughts (as I suspect many do) but I don't need to hear them every time somebody posts something about a recovery anytime soon, or Shell reaching a SP above £16. It's not your message/thoughts, its the frequency of which you post them (which devalues the message) and the fact you don't seem to accept the opinions of others. If you're going to be that aggressive to non-conformists, you have to expect an appropriate response.
p.s. I'm disregarding the whole spat with Rach666 here and don't wish to comment on it.
I wouldn't have to reply. But this BB is full of control freaks. As they can't control me they mock my posts, grammar, spelling etc etc. I just carry on posting , knowing they can't hack it. The truth is just too much for them. Typical of bullies the world over. They just can't stomach some one having a different opinion. It hurts them even more when alot of my predictions come to pass.
Thanks, TFE and Boyobach,
I guess my posts were removed with the thread.
I think it was just as well that the thread was removed. The spat between Char333 and Rach666 (is the similarity coincidental? ) was certainly weird and hardly of interest. It appears that Rach has previously posted as Sarah, who also seems to have taken issue with Char.
Sad to see posts removed on here LEVIS, but in some ways its kinda reassuring that it's not only on the lloyds BB where this is happening. Hope this makes sense.
BTW, I read your posts earlier, nothing offensive there, the whole thread has disappeared.
Admin, I posted two none offensive posts and they have been removed !!
What is going on ?