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mem just want to add to what's already been said here .deepest sympathy put's all in perspective.atb.
Sorry for all those involved it's never good to hear such news at all life is worth more then anything
Nigel,
Given that today a family lost their young child and one of the members of this BB was affected by that tragic incident, I think we would be all much better served by suspending hostilities and rather sparing a thought for the family affected and for MEM.
Quite ‘blinkered’ comments from Sefton, Sinn Fein were only a ‘dangerous rabble’ in the context of the removal of imposed Imperial British power from what is now Southern Island. Following the Troubles later on in the Century a political solution was arrived at, namely the Belfast Agreement. Of course we Brits were led to the table at gun, or more precisely bomb point once PIRA acheived effective use of the single boatload of arms which arrived from Libya following succesful attacks in Bishopsgate, the Baltic Exchange and Manchester.
When casually spaffing out words like ‘rabble’ perhaps S82 could draw his mind back to GCE History? The English civil wars killed around 300,000 or approximately 6% of our population. The Royalist rabble started military operations in the once fair City Of Nottingham, we all know what happened to Charles 1.
Eire is a hugely civilised country, not surprising that a strong form of ethnic Nationalism remains, good luck to them!
Hi Nicodemus,
I feel slightly like the London bus experience - nothing for an hour and then four come all at once - so forgive me for more postings than I would normally do.
The issue of dolphins in Ireland being potentially affected by the gas extraction systems is a complete red herring (I don't know if dolphin eat herring) and is just without any scientific basis.
Dolphin are highly intelligent and very socially gregarious (so they rapidly exchange information and solutions) and they will rapidly move away from an area where there is a threat to them (and, scientifically, there appears to be little or no threat to them from from these activities).
A far more serious issue we should all be much more concerned about is the deaths of whales, mainly through mass beachings, which would appear to be significantly correlated with the presence of military submarines in area - it seems significantly likely that the whales seem to suffer some kind of brain lesions because of the long distance sonar emitted by the subs.
So, I want it clear that I myself do care much about the environment in its widest sense - but having a murderous rabble like Sinn Fein stand up for dolphins seems to me to be political opportunism of the most despicable sort.
Hi GRH,
Your comment about the actions of the Greens in Germany causing the Greens is Ireland problems and possibly forcing them to go less green is an excellent example of the (very dangerous) Law of Unintended Consequences.
And brings to mind the aphorism "be careful what you wish for......"
Or, possibly, even "the road to Hell is paved with good intentions".
Hi Nicodemus,
Further to my last point about falling down in the dark, Ireland may want to consider the question as to what the country had before candles?
Electricity....
Hi Nicodemus,
As to your point, history (which has tendency to repeat itself) shows that the ideologically obsessed tend to become much more sanguine and pragmatic when they encounter a conflict between their ideology and an immediate pain point.
And being without electricity for even short periods rapidly becomes a serious pain point.
Ideology is very easy to spout, especially on social media - until your laptop runs out of battery power and you start shivering with the cold and fall down the stairs in the dark.
People can forgive politicians many things, most particularly spouting drivel 24/7 but regularly being without electricity can seriously concentrate the mind of all bar the most committed zealot (and there will likely be relatively few of those on a freezing winter's night in Ireland without heating).
I suspect decision-making processes in Ireland regarding energy might start to improve quite quickly as the winter sets in (of course, ideally for PRD before then - but being shivering cold is often helpful in the process). Dolphins being harmed (which is a red herring anyway) tend to get quite quickly forgotten when one is very, very cold.
And that would be quite a decent catalyst in the process of PRD crystallising value.
I have no particular view myself on the likely timing of the Irish opportunity but some of the events, global and Ireland-specific, would seem to be aligning quite nicely for PRD.
I've posted this before but it sums up Irish politics perfectly. A young Green Party member resigned her membership saying that they were more concerned with cycle lanes than social housing.
I expect there are many Greens like herself interested in a radical social agenda. Hopefully more concerned with people having warm homes rather than stressing about it being gas firing their power stations.
On the other hand, Sinn Fein are after nicking real greenie (as opposed to radical leftist )votes by practically accusing Eammon Ryan of being a 'dolphin killer' for even considering using LNG, Whether fracked or non fracked is irrelevant, SF don't care as long as there are votes to be poached...
mEM :-) I stand corrected and salute you, sir!
Cheers GRH for sharing your thoughts, much appreciated!
I do not believe political parties will be pragmatic with their policies, they just take positions that gives them the maximum advantage over their rivals. But the government should do the opposite and prioritise national interest and safety over and above anything, including principles, morals, and ethics. So, the Greens who are part of the government should act differently to their party, which could mean political suicide for them unless they manage to convince their party that by not acting in the Ireland’s interest and sticking to their ‘we are a party of mother earth and every earthling is our voter’ moto, could wipe out the Green party itself in Ireland. Germany’s Greens threatening the Irish energy security should help in this lobbying process.
I like the direction PG is moving now to provide a package of things that include energy security with FRSU, CO2 sequestration/CCS, and increased investment in to ‘Green alternatives’. Something that could stand a chance to pass as it solves more than one problem without creating a new one!
Best
AJ, should you not second my second in true General Melchett style, otherwise I might have to poo poo your initial ‘thirding’, no one likes a poo pooer !!
We need to avoid a sticky situation, as sticky as sticky the stick insect, stuck on a sticky bun (Blackadder credit)
A friend just emailed me to say how ironic it is
that the green policies of one European Green party (in Germany...currently out of government)
might cause another European Green party (in Ireland...currently in government)
to amend its green policies!
Just goes to show HOW inter connected the World is
Oddly, I do not think the tipping point will be the pure energy security issue...
huge that that is...(and although the owners of data centres will be in discussions as I type)
No...I think the tipper will be that
PLUS the enormous point about selling excess gas
(oil too!!!!!!????)
on the World markets
Don't forget ...
politicians campaign in poetry
but have to govern in prose
ATB
I third what S82 and mEM said
91,
Regarding Ireland being slow at decisions (partially caused the inherent decision paralysis in a coalition government), it may be worth watching what happened recently in South Africa.
They got themselves into a total mess by basically destroying the national electricity utility, Eskom - through total incompetence and monumental looting, rather than any "green" agenda (though one might argue that stolen Dollar notes are green....).
They recently rushed through emergency approvals to commission a Turkish company to operate FRSU ships to alleviate the power crisis (there are regular power black-outs, called, euphemistically "load shedding").
The constant power interruptions were (are) were not only destroying the economy but were starting to have serious political implications, even in a country where one party has a probably unassailable majority - nothing annoys people more than being without power frequently for 4-6 hours a day.
In Ireland, the political balance is obviously much more delicately balanced and, as politicians, trying to keep themselves in power would be much easier if they avoided a power crisis. The endless power crises in California caused by the Democrat state government there was really what brought Arnold Schwarzenegger to power there in 2003 - in a state which is naturally Democrat.
Electricity interruption is a very fast way to voter dissatisfaction - and I suspect that will come to be a real factor in Ireland, especially if it happens in their winter or during a Six Nations rugby match...
GRH,
I second what S82 said
MEM
Thanks GRH,
It is a welcome relief to see a posting again on the BB that is based on fact, information and an informed explanation.....
OK
This is it...very brief
As most know, the German elections are just around the corner...
September this year
It will be the end of the Merkel era.
Well...here is THE THING...
The German Greens have just published their manifesto (yesterday's FT)
AND it includes a commitment to ENDING GAS IMPORTS VIA NORD STREAM 2.
Try rolling that around in your mind very slowly
... ENDING GAS IMPORTS VIA NORD STREAM 2.
Of course..
The next German government is likely to be a coalition ...
again , we know that
The Greens seem very likely to have a big role in that coalition
So...
there will be a potential "king maker" party in Germany ...
a Party that is COMMITTED to ending gas imports from Russia.
Did you see the images of what happened in Germany this last Winter...
when all the wind farms failed ?
and solar proved inoperable too?
Now...which country sits at the furthest reaches of the European gas supply chain?
Which country will need gas for at least the next 10 years?
Hmmmm
If I were responsible for energy security in that country...
I would take that threat seriously
and look for ways of boosting alternative secure gas supplies.
Maybe I might also consider exports revenue too re surplus supply!
I would also be aware that, should gas shortages in Europe occur...(clearly, they WILL)
I would have a stronger case for requesting solidarity and support from my European friends
if my country had implemented existing European guidelines on gas storage etc.
ATB