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Wow, did I hear my name mentioned there somewhere.
Nice to hear from you Dave1 and it's comforting to know that you'r still around, and a force to be reckoned with.
This fiasco hit me like a bolt out of the blue. . I recently underwent a complete knee replacement and have taken little interest in these boards of late. I currently have enough pain of my own without looking for any more. This episode just shows that you have to do your own resereach, trust no bugger and invest up the a level your are comfortable with.
Stick in there Dave - don't let them take invention.
The MEEK shall inherit the earth and those that said they were onlytrying to be helpful will find they were only trying to help themselves.
I`m still confident for 2022 but one thing is for sure… The share price will be very different from now until 2023!
@Nut, which is looking like it wasnt a typo.
Im still hoping this whole mess will be sorted and the 2023 thing was an error.
12 months mate, seriously in that length of time I expect others to be on the scene and taking our market.
When I said Q4 I was referring to the previous Q4 typo from investnzcheshire.co.uk
Investor presenetation from Tim Yeo was Q1 2022, a delay from Q4 2021 may I add. Now its "sometime in 2023"
A response would from TY would be good but this is the problem, he doesn't ever respond because I dont think he cares in the slightest about PIs. Its all about keeping the big guys happy.
The man is aweful at comms, has been since day 1 in PHE. Just look at the poorly run raise (from a PIs point of view) earlier this year.
"We are nearing the appointment of a contractor and are therefore confident that the steps we have taken in the last few months are consistent with a completion date during 2023"
I don`t disagree that this needs an explanation. My expectation has been Q4 date from the first typo.
It will be interesting to see Tim`s response!
Yes Nut he did, as I already stated however 12 month plus, thats the big point here you seem to be missing.
It requires an explanation.
Volume is far higher than the reported buy and sells. Don't go off this website, never accurate.
Dr A, the drop could mean a number of things. Especially if an investor has placed a big order to sell. What it is not.... Is PIs fault on here or MMs manipulation.
Please, stop defending him. From a fellow investor i'm politely telling you that you're coming across as you're apart of a Tim Yeo cult... Or maybe Bluetoff and Co are right and you're on the books.
I seem to recall after every time Tim mentioned a completion date he then followed by saying something along the lines of… As with many FOAK projects there could be potential problems that may cause delay… But obviously it is their top priority
Dr A, I dont hold a bad view of you, but I do feel it was a fair question to ask.
HUI doing well does in turn makes us do well, but HUI isnt PHE so technically while its good for the goose and gander that Howard is positive about HUI (one I will look to invest in if the opp presents itself), right now its all about the leadership of PHE. This is where Tim has failed.
I am not bothered by his background, as for my sins Im a life long Con myself (que the abuse) I am simply rating him on what he has done for PHE and I dont feel its been good enough.
When you look at what we have, its a marketers dream.
Tim himself at the investor presentation recently said Q1 2022, he did say there could be delays granted, but until 2023? That needs an explanation and that really is what is dissapointed me. Radio silence.
So yes DR wasnt great with dates but Tim himself said Q1 2022, which most felt was already a delay, but understood due to Covid. 2023.....without so much as to a why.
Its a joke mate.
No problem NGR1616. Understood.
toneman you are correct picking me up about "the other side of the trade". I was really only arguing the narrative that there are more buys than sells. There aren't.
NGR1616, your interpretation of the trades is wrong. Each recorded trade is one side of the trade. When you sell your sell trade is posted at your quantity and your price, when someone buys your shares their buy transaction is posted at their quantity and their price. The buy or sell is sometimes wrong because it is interpreted by a computer algorithm using your price and the spread at the time the computer makes its guess. For some reason the computer guess just happens to be wrong...it's most definitely NOT the other side of the trade.
That 154k at 8.11 this morning is a slap in the face.
No wonder it's taken a beating......
Wish I had that kind of money!! But I would be putting it in smaller lumps :-D
Might be a fund manager for safety of holders .
Dr.Anomaly I could not agree with you more. These shares will soon be over 15p per share. Watch this space. The MM's are loading up.
Every single buy has a corresponding sell and every single sell has a corresponding buy. That is all you need to remember. The reports of buys and sells is only one side of the transaction and it's reported by only one side of the transaction. It's not accurate and doesn't pretend to be. I'm sure many of us can attest to making a transaction at a specific price and time and it is listed as the opposite of what you did.....therefore the other side of the transaction is the one being posted, not both.
Said so, I will not selling any shares here, I was in from the beginning at a gamble all or nothing and invested far under 1, so I am on a pleasant side still, but poor others who fell for his obvious lies and invested much higher....
DA, points well taken, but this is a classical example of a poitician trying to do business, I have seen many examples of this and it always failed, that is why the went into politics, not right away into business, because they are not capable of business, I just hope there are others in charge then just TY. He is like all politicians or at least 90 % of the a notorious lier, they woul dnot be succesful politicians if they woul d not act like this, they will name it extending the facts, I name it lying. What a shame when he presented on a big investor stage the company telling even there everyone beginning of 2022 operational, LOL - what a joke and lie. I can understand that it might not have been the beginning of 2022, but 2023 is a big step back and tell me what you want, he knew this and told poeple not the truth of purpose...
Mark, I'm disappointed you take this view of me. I did contact Tim and Howard yesterday, but no more news was forthcoming from Tim, so nothing to report. I did have a good chat with Howard and he did give me a lot of very encouraging details about HUI and how bullish he is - again, this would just fall on deaf ears so I decided not to bother. The only reason I'm defending is that actually I see Dave Ryan as the architect for this mess, not the other BOD, but I do wish they would have communicated all of this earlier as it did seem they had every opportunity. However, the same effect would have happened in my opinion - so as I said before damned if they do or don't.
I have a lot of money technically tied up here, but I am trying to play with an even bat - I'm not going to get into the braying mob with pitchforks to burn the witch, but if you have been reading my posts, I have contacted the FCA regarding the AGM and Tim's tenure and I have agreed Tim has a lot to answer for, but his history and political views in my mind are irrelevant, I just want good governance for PHE and he has made some positive steps in that regard. Like all like, nothing is black and white, just nuances of grey. I hope you understand, I'm always trying to see both views and although that may seem laissez-faire, it's just my training and my day job creeping through as I deal with many board dynamics every day.
Why sometimes buys are more than sells, and the sp drops or/and continues to drop.
It is often a fact that as more are buying than selling, the sp drops and continues to drop because buyers decide that the shares are becoming more of a bargain.
Of course the opposite also occurs, more sells than buys when the sp is rising purely because people are taking a profit.
Whilst agreeing that for every buy there is a sell (eventually), and visa versa, brokers and to a smaller effect mm's (although they should not do) often hold onto shares for several reasons, and for several hours.
Plus a broker can also be a market maker, so as a broker they can and do hold onto shares for a couple of days.
A good guide is to look at total buys/sells over a longer period than a few hours, that will give a far better picture of the strength of confidence in a share./company.
Dr A I'm posotive
I just bought again...... :-))
See you soon.
A .5 litre plastic bottle can can propell a vehicle 100 yards .... what's not to like..
I personally think we will see completion 2022..
The board will be better the less people try to stick up for dear old Tim. Its not fear to be concerned about a 12 month delay with radio silence about why.
End of the day Dr A, you mention a lot like its a badge of honour about how much you are in contact with the BOD yet when the time comes and that contact is needed to find out what on earth is going on you decide not to bother. Strange.
Im not intending to sound personal at you as you seem a good person and imagine you are fed up with the stick recently, but your also smart so I imagine you must have known if you were to come on here defending after yest it wasnt going to go down well.
It naturally leaves a question of integrity and how "in" with the board you are.
Markrops, I'm really not saying that, we are just feeding it. I think I'm done for the day, everything is too entrenched. Just hope this board doesn't descend into a quagmire of misinformation and fear. Best of luck chaps, catch you when there is at least hope for some positivity on this discussion.
Basically what is being said is it is the MMs and our fault the SP is dropping and not dear old Tim. Up for a knighthood soon.
Yeah cool, and there are a lot of transactions being made over the midpoint share price - is that any better?