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Wow, did I hear my name mentioned there somewhere.
Nice to hear from you Dave1 and it's comforting to know that you'r still around, and a force to be reckoned with.
This fiasco hit me like a bolt out of the blue. . I recently underwent a complete knee replacement and have taken little interest in these boards of late. I currently have enough pain of my own without looking for any more. This episode just shows that you have to do your own resereach, trust no bugger and invest up the a level your are comfortable with.
Stick in there Dave - don't let them take invention.
The MEEK shall inherit the earth and those that said they were onlytrying to be helpful will find they were only trying to help themselves.
@Nut, which is looking like it wasnt a typo.
Im still hoping this whole mess will be sorted and the 2023 thing was an error.
12 months mate, seriously in that length of time I expect others to be on the scene and taking our market.
Investor presenetation from Tim Yeo was Q1 2022, a delay from Q4 2021 may I add. Now its "sometime in 2023"
A response would from TY would be good but this is the problem, he doesn't ever respond because I dont think he cares in the slightest about PIs. Its all about keeping the big guys happy.
The man is aweful at comms, has been since day 1 in PHE. Just look at the poorly run raise (from a PIs point of view) earlier this year.
Yes Nut he did, as I already stated however 12 month plus, thats the big point here you seem to be missing.
It requires an explanation.
Volume is far higher than the reported buy and sells. Don't go off this website, never accurate.
Dr A, the drop could mean a number of things. Especially if an investor has placed a big order to sell. What it is not.... Is PIs fault on here or MMs manipulation.
Please, stop defending him. From a fellow investor i'm politely telling you that you're coming across as you're apart of a Tim Yeo cult... Or maybe Bluetoff and Co are right and you're on the books.
Dr A, I dont hold a bad view of you, but I do feel it was a fair question to ask.
HUI doing well does in turn makes us do well, but HUI isnt PHE so technically while its good for the goose and gander that Howard is positive about HUI (one I will look to invest in if the opp presents itself), right now its all about the leadership of PHE. This is where Tim has failed.
I am not bothered by his background, as for my sins Im a life long Con myself (que the abuse) I am simply rating him on what he has done for PHE and I dont feel its been good enough.
When you look at what we have, its a marketers dream.
Tim himself at the investor presentation recently said Q1 2022, he did say there could be delays granted, but until 2023? That needs an explanation and that really is what is dissapointed me. Radio silence.
So yes DR wasnt great with dates but Tim himself said Q1 2022, which most felt was already a delay, but understood due to Covid. 2023.....without so much as to a why.
Its a joke mate.
No problem NGR1616. Understood.
toneman you are correct picking me up about "the other side of the trade". I was really only arguing the narrative that there are more buys than sells. There aren't.
NGR1616, your interpretation of the trades is wrong. Each recorded trade is one side of the trade. When you sell your sell trade is posted at your quantity and your price, when someone buys your shares their buy transaction is posted at their quantity and their price. The buy or sell is sometimes wrong because it is interpreted by a computer algorithm using your price and the spread at the time the computer makes its guess. For some reason the computer guess just happens to be wrong...it's most definitely NOT the other side of the trade.
That 154k at 8.11 this morning is a slap in the face.
No wonder it's taken a beating......
Wish I had that kind of money!! But I would be putting it in smaller lumps :-D
Might be a fund manager for safety of holders .
Dr.Anomaly I could not agree with you more. These shares will soon be over 15p per share. Watch this space. The MM's are loading up.
Every single buy has a corresponding sell and every single sell has a corresponding buy. That is all you need to remember. The reports of buys and sells is only one side of the transaction and it's reported by only one side of the transaction. It's not accurate and doesn't pretend to be. I'm sure many of us can attest to making a transaction at a specific price and time and it is listed as the opposite of what you did.....therefore the other side of the transaction is the one being posted, not both.
Why sometimes buys are more than sells, and the sp drops or/and continues to drop.
It is often a fact that as more are buying than selling, the sp drops and continues to drop because buyers decide that the shares are becoming more of a bargain.
Of course the opposite also occurs, more sells than buys when the sp is rising purely because people are taking a profit.
Whilst agreeing that for every buy there is a sell (eventually), and visa versa, brokers and to a smaller effect mm's (although they should not do) often hold onto shares for several reasons, and for several hours.
Plus a broker can also be a market maker, so as a broker they can and do hold onto shares for a couple of days.
A good guide is to look at total buys/sells over a longer period than a few hours, that will give a far better picture of the strength of confidence in a share./company.
Dr A I'm posotive
I just bought again...... :-))
See you soon.
A .5 litre plastic bottle can can propell a vehicle 100 yards .... what's not to like..
Expectations...
I personally think we will see completion 2022..
:-D
The board will be better the less people try to stick up for dear old Tim. Its not fear to be concerned about a 12 month delay with radio silence about why.
End of the day Dr A, you mention a lot like its a badge of honour about how much you are in contact with the BOD yet when the time comes and that contact is needed to find out what on earth is going on you decide not to bother. Strange.
Im not intending to sound personal at you as you seem a good person and imagine you are fed up with the stick recently, but your also smart so I imagine you must have known if you were to come on here defending after yest it wasnt going to go down well.
It naturally leaves a question of integrity and how "in" with the board you are.
Basically what is being said is it is the MMs and our fault the SP is dropping and not dear old Tim. Up for a knighthood soon.
buys and sells reporting in high volume scenarios are invalid. The MM's only report one half of the transaction and are also making money on each one. The SP is the only true indicator of whether people are buying or selling and at the moment people are selling no matter what you want to believe.
Dr A - Yeo will milk you dry. Just because he lost £500k one day doesn't mean he won't make money by some other method.
Buys v sells. This is an inaccurate measure and shouldn't be relied upon as clearly your argument would be correct if the share price was rising, but instead it's falling. The only true measures are the direction of travel of the share price supported by trading volume. Looking the reporting of buys and sells before arguing my point.
Yes Dun clearly they are, as can be seen from the radio silence.....
Dr A
Can't agree more. And the Whites, who hold a lot more shares, will be well down and may even be buying on the side as i write. Peel and the whites and Yeo will want the share to rise, and am convinced they will now be doing everything possible to get this done.
I am holding
Time for Tim to go. Simple as.
A 12 month delay doesnt bother you but it bothers me Dr A as that 12 momths gives a high chance someone else will move in and the DMG will become not required as losses first mover advantage.
Im invested in Eqtec to so not all bad but it must be noted they have now moved into Hydrogen. They plan to have that research and tech ready by end of Q4 this year.
Tim might just have killed PHE for good with his mismangement and all we get is radio silence.
In all seriousness, Tim Yeo is in this for himself. He's not interested in shareholders only making sure whatever happens he makes money. IF the shareholders happen to make money, so does he. But he can also make money at Shareholders expense. There have been some recent evidence of shareholders wielding the power (Gamestore US, RMS and HUR in UK). Perhaps it's time there was a concerted effort to drive scrutiny into what's really going on and potentially creating a movement towards an EGM and a vote to oust Yeo. Peel are the ones who can assist if it is in their best interests too. They might be happy but I suspect where Yeo is involved they too have concerns.
Of course Dr A, nothings ever Tim's fault is it.
I got out of this as soon as he was appointed his record speaks for itself.