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Thanks for the detailed explanation, Risky. Appreciate you taking the time to summarise.
And James - as someone who has owned most home computers and consoles from zx81 through to Google Stadia, my interest in Bidstack is as much the subject matter and start up journey as investment potential. I have a number of larger holdings of other AIM stocks, but dont post in most on this board. Anyway, i will say good luck to you too. To end on a positive first impression is that the pineapple sachet does at least taste quite nice for a soluble powder...!
Yes we obviously got off on the wrong foot. When I saw your biggest percentage of posting was bidstack And your first post on opti was comparing it to boombod I thought you were just another troll. Unfortunately I’ve put the wrong two and two together. BMi is hard to gauge sometimes without seeing the actual person. I hope you get on with slim biome and I’m glad you’ve got the information required from Rebarm. If you have some spare cash please take a look at Sbtx which is Opti linked. Sbtx is due to release an Rns any day now and I believe it will do very well. Good luck anyway .
Glucomannan has a technical function where it expands in the stomach making you full. It’s not the main ingredient but the most basic in terms of its functionality. Chromium controls blood sugar & boosts your metabolism. The oligofructose or the sweetener as you call it is derived from inulin or chicory root which is the most scientifically researched prebiotic out there. They all have EFSA health claims because there are 1000s of scientific publications on the individual ingredients & their efficacy. Optis study shows how the combined ingredients complement each other but the science is well established & clinical studies are not really needed other then to show the efficacy of the three combined in one & how they complement each other. The formulation came from key world opinion leaders in appetite suppression & prebiotic fibres from UK leading universities. It’s all on Opti website. The individual ingredients are not novel but the 3x combined together is novel & work in a synergy. This solid science combined with a brand like slimbiome has no wonder caught the attention of the high street.
It has two ingredients similar to boombod which potentially infringes Opti IP. I believe a number of patents have been granted for Optis IP. When all have granted Opti will be a very strong position IP wise & those infringing will have little options
'James', I make it that you have a higher BMI than me, who you call fatso. Well done my friend. You seem to assume that I'm a woman which again is wrong. Well done again. You really are on a roll.
Thanks Rebarm for a meaningful reply. I will indeed have a read of the RNS. Just for the record 'human trials' was the description used by Optibiotix though.
I have some profits to put into something so was having a quick look at this as seems fair bit down on the highs, as well as a couple of other candidates, but initial thoughts are not sure retail pharma is for me with the need to secure distribution and potential margin pressures. Will do a bit more digging though.
Worth noting that it wasn't a trial but a study. I certainly haven't seen any information about the study make-up but I'm sure given the nature of it - number, timescales etc. - the only common denominator, I suspect, would have been 'fat'! Being able to advertise such a study and the results thereof might be excellent backing for the marketing of a supplement as we are already seeing with the NASA style lift off in H&B sales of Slimbiome but was a long way short of anything that could be called a trial. In that case, for example, timescales would have been in multiple years; costs in zillions of $s and participants in their hundreds. Big difference although many do mix the words. Whilst there have been approvals enabling the use of 'medical' in product descriptions/advertising Slimbiome is a supplement not a prescription drug.
If you haven't read already during your research and are interested then I suggest you check out the RNS of 11th July 19, 'Scientific & Commercial Update' which covers progress being made with a US partner on the development of an Opti strain, LP, as a pharmaceutical product but despite the very naive assumption by some that it is imminent it is, in my opinion, someway into the future assuming, of course, that it is approved by the FDA!
The above is just one example of why I continue to be very positive about Opti as a long term investment. They have multiple channels for a variety of materials which gives them good cover if one should fail. If, however, they all succeed then in my opinion Opti will be a hugely successful company. Unfortunately the lack of northbound energy in the SP over a protracted period does not support my current opinion!!
Enjoy your holiday.
Where you one of the original 20 women. Do you feel that you should be paid royalties for the research? Did it also help with your Facial hair problem? I’m 5 foot 10 and 12 1/2 stone actually. I’m not that fussed on my own assumptions or what you think about them. I think I can tell your agenda as I’ve seen it 1 million times. Please may I offer some advice. Instead of going on a beach holiday try going to the jungles of Belize. There is a private clinic just outside medina bank that deals with hairy monkey women. Do your own research as I’m un willing to discuss anything further with you. Good luck fatso.
You definitely sound like a big man, James. Big on making the wrong assumptions, BS and misogynistic attitude.
Going back to the original point. The claims about scientific evidence from human trials are based on a grand total of 20 women taking it over 4 weeks. So the claims are based on half (10 people) taking it. I personally find that a bit shocking. If there are trials I am not aware of let me know and I am happy to read them and apologise for my poor research.
6 foot three and 13 stone is quite a sizeable lady. You should have plenty of confidence being that size. I think you would be slightly defensive if somebody tried trashing what you were invested in. I’m afraid we’ve seen it far too often with this company. I hope you enjoy your beach holiday and don’t forget to tuck your meat and two veg into the back of your bikini. My apologies for biting dear.
James, such a child and so wrong again. Fat ... I'm 6ft and 13 stone and go to the gym 3 or 4 times a week. There is always room for improvement though, especially before a beach holiday. Maybe you should try the products of a company you're invested in. DYOR. Such a snowflake.
Anorectics - statistically correct - ask your GP for advice, sure he/she would recommend steak n chips -:)
I am an investor in this company. Not somebody who comes on here without doing any research claiming other companies produce the same thing. Personally I’ve never tasted any of the stuff because I’m not a fat moaning tool. Good day to you. I will look forward to reading your negative remarks On this product shortly.
Such a child. Looks like Optibiotix make kool aid too and you've clearly been drinking a lot of it.
Is boombod clinically proven? Is bidstack going down the pan faster than your sachets of boombod? Good for you if you are up overall.
Er, only if it doesnt work.
And I have just explained two key points from some high level research into a company I had previously heard good things about, neither which you have responded to in a constructive manner. Is this board for happy clappers only?
And overall I am up significantly in 2020, so incorrect. Makes no sense that I would put another company down if my shares were down anyway, what good would that do? What a bizarre statement. Maybe question your confirmation bias or explain why it is a statistically meaningful study into efficacy or not like Boom bod.
Slimbione - an anorexics enemy :)
Signed fatty :)
Seen so many people trying to put down this company purely because their own shares are failing. It’s like anything I’m afraid. Without doing the research first it’s best not to try to put something down. Will you be coming back with negative comments concerning slim biome? Lets if I’m right.
'if you don't believe in the product why buy it, sounds like you're a bidstack investor?' this bizarre statement doesn't even make sense. Fail to see how having shares in any other company relates to Optibiotix, they aren't even in the same field. I do have shares in other pharma but nothing remotely related.
It's a simple statement that can't see any efficacy studies other than 20 people over 4 weeks, presumably half placebo. If there are others then happy to have a read - weren't any immediately obvious when I looked into it. The results look good for the sample but it is a tiny sample. Otherwise 'twaddle' like 'tested by the industry experts' sounds like marketing spin. Also that it seems to me more or less the same product as Boom Bod. As highlighted to me by the woman behind the counter in H&B!
Its not all companies you can just try out the product before you can invest, hence giving it a go, but as I said not overly impressed by the innovation or scientific proof so far.
The credentials of slimbione have been tested by the industry experts and it is an award winning product. Seems like you need to complete more research before coming out with twaddle like that which makes your post seem foolish to the majority on here that have. I agree with James.
If you don’t believe in the product why buy it ? Sounds to me like you’re a bidstack investors. ??
From what I can see Slimbiome trials were only done with 20 females over 4 weeks. If half were on placebo that would only mean 10 people took it for 28 days. Would have expected more statistically robust research. Maybe there have been bigger trials done?
More interested in the cholbiome one, but get the impression Slimbione is a bit of a case of the emperors new clothes. Nevertheless have already bought some of the pineapple one and will give it a go for a week.
SlimBiome® has been shown in human intervention studies to be an effective means of supporting hunger-free weight management when combined with healthy eating. Utilising a meal replacement diet plan over 4 weeks*, SlimBiome®:
- significantly reduced weight and body fat
- significantly reduced systolic blood pressure
- significantly reduced waist and hip circumference
- significantly improved users’ mood
- had a positive impact on gut microbiome composition
I was asking what the USP ie. UNIQUE selling point is. Glucomannan is available / has been available for a long time both in supplement form and as below in Boom Bod.
The main ingredient is Glucomannan which is basically just a soluble fibre which is a thickener turning liquid to gel and leading to more of a full feeling. I'm no scientist but the difference between the two products in terms of the rest of the ingredients doesn't seem to be particularly clinically meaningful. The 'Slimbione proprietary blend' is basically a sweetener, Glucomannan and Chromium Piccolate, unless the sweetener is active in some way which I doubt. Boom Bod has both the latter ingredients and just uses sucralose to sweeten instead.
I've been looking into this primarily as a punter with a holiday coming up, interested in buying the product, but from what I can see they have pretty much just copied someone else's product. That's ok if it's a market worth pursuing, but with all the hype a bit disappointing and the way it's promoted smacks of pseudo science.
Here are example Boom bod ingredients: Glucomannan (Sulphites), Magnesium Citrate, Acidity Regulators (Sodium Citrate, Potassium Citrate, Calcium Citrate), Colour (Beetroot Red), Flavouring, Acidity Regulator (Citric Acid), Sweetener (Acesulfame-K), Vitamin C (as Ascorbic Acid), Sweetener (Sucralose), Ferrous Fumarate, Zinc Citrate, Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine Hydrochloride), Riboflavin (as Vitamin B2), Chromium Picolinate.
Here are the Slimbione ingredients: SlimBiome® Proprietary Blend (Fructo-oligosaccharide, Glucomannan, Chromium Picolinate), Citric Acid, Tri-Sodium Citrate, Magnesium Citrate, Ascorbic Acid, Zinc Citrate, Vitamin B12 Preparation (Maltodextrin, Methylcobalamin), Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Natural Flavouring, Silicon Dioxide.
Really? Obviously it is because it is clinically tested and proven, something that simply doesn't apply to others. People can buy something that works and get value for money, or pay for something that doesn't and get no value whatsoever.
What does a Cadbury's chocolate bar offer over an own brand chocolate bar. What do Kelloggs Cornflakes offer over own brand cornflakes. Maybe a slightly different taste but they all sell whether cheap or more expensive.
Was looking at the Slimbione product. Not sure what it offers over Glucomannan supplements which are available at a fraction of the price including at H&B? Is there any specific USP or science I'm missing to justify 15 to 20 quid a pack? Packaging looks decent but seems steep price for 1 weeks's supply?