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Oh forgot to say this is not bad news for us... more tests needed Thank You
This is a link from another share I’m invested in that another poster dug up (pmjh) . It’s worth listening to all of it but for now just cut to 9:14 ( minutes/seconds) in
https://youtu.be/H97iNXiC62g
"I agree, you can get infected from surfaces, but the virus starts to die and loses it's strength on surfaces."
Not as quickly as one might think. It will depend on the surface but anything from 4 - 72 hours.
"It is not certain how long the virus that causes COVID-19 survives on surfaces, but it seems likely to behave like other coronaviruses. A recent review of the survival of human coronaviruses on surfaces found large variability, ranging from 2 hours to 9 days".
I agree, you can get infected from surfaces, but the virus starts to die and loses it's strength on surfaces. One would have to touch a surface that had just received the virus, then put it in their mouth or nose to become infected. The majority of infections are caused by heavy viral load inhaled from an infected person.
"Vaccine: If a vaccine is found, you first have to test a person for antibodies before administering the vaccine. Again, the vaccine will not be a life time one. Meaning you would need ODX's antibody test each time"
Older people do not develop antibodies so readily.
Even with a vaccine older/vulnerable people may need a monthly antibody check to see if their vaccine needs topped up, only realistic way for that to happen is with a fast accurate antibody test. This situation is likely to last many years until a longer lasting solution is found, if ever.
Aberdeenman
I agree techbadger - you can indeed spread it
But i guess the risk is reduced as you wont have much of a condition for long to transmit and you wont develop much viral load??? Thats my thinking anyway
Of course you can spread it through touch, even if you have immunity yourself. An infection can be started through a single virion which can be transported surface to surface including on human skin.
80% of peeps who have antibodies do not know they have had it. In other words, 80% peeps who've had covid do not know they've had it.
Antibodies do protect, which is why everyone will want to know if they're positive for antibodies. ODX has a test kit which is better than the lab versions for S&S, and that's just the UKRTC one. We also have a mologic antibody.
If you have antibodies, you cannot transmit by sneezing or coughing. Touching like regulator says can be for any surface.
Antibodies do fade unfortunately but as far as ODX is concerned, this is great news. 1 person has to do an antibody test every 3 months meaning more tests will be needed.
Vaccine: If a vaccine is found, you first have to test a person for antibodies before administering the vaccine. Again, the vaccine will not be a life time one. Meaning you would need ODX's antibody test each time
These are the reason many of us are invested here. The test will also hep with research etc.
ODX will make a lot of money. This is a company here to exploit this opportunity. £2+ in the very near future
"I think RegulatorUK sold out today...
If we are going to be that pedantic Regulator, there is no point doing any sort of test. Coming out from the test centre someone could have coughed two cars away from you, that whiff could have inadvertently blown into your car, and infected you."
Au contraire... I've bought on the dip and increased my holding.
As I have repeatedly pointed out, the uncertainty actually makes widescale repeat testing more of a priority - to get the level of information needed to provide assurance - and that's good for a company that produces a gold standard antibody test (and potentially will be producing the gold standard POC antigen test as well).
han**** is up now
Jadam - i completely agree with you.
ReulartorUK is talking cr@p
Not sure what’s left to discuss.
Today’s briefing clearly indicated that antibodies provide immunity as fully anticipated.
The recent large scale study suggested antibodies last at least 4 months.
"Regulator,
3/30 million have had it twice. Pretty good odds hey? I'd take my chances. Lol."
The problem is, we don't know how many people have potentially been reinfected, as few countries have devoted resources to monitoring it - they've been too busy dealing with cases.
We need to go back to the fundamental message from the WHO back in April (which hasn't changed):
"...there is not enough evidence about the effectiveness of antibody-mediated immunity to guarantee the accuracy of an “immunity passport” or “risk-free certificate.” People who assume that they are immune to a second infection because they have received a positive test result may ignore public health advice. The use of such certificates may therefore increase the risks of continued transmission." (https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/immunity-passports-in-the-context-of-covid-19)
What does this mean for ODX? That we need to start using the gold standard test to gather the information, on a large scale basis, that will provide more information and answers. At present, we're only doing small scale stuff. And we need to do the testing frequently...
...which is good news for those companies producing gold standard antibody tests.
"to my mind there has been no known case of someone with previous antibodies contracting the SAME STRAIN of corona virus again"
Even if you did catch a different strain, fact that you have had a coronavirus infection/vaccine and have developed antibodies means you will not experience the disease as bad as severely as you would without antibodies, i.e. unlikely to kill you.
Aberdeenman
JAdam
This is getting a bit of a habit, you wrote....
As regards can you pass on the corona virus if you have had it, recovered and now have antibodies - no you cannot unless you want to be a little pedantic about that and condsider if a different person that does have covid, coughs on YOUR hand and you pass it to another person. It is very different pasing on a third party infection. Your yourself having recovered cannot infect another.
I think RegulatorUK sold out today...
If we are going to be that pedantic Regulator, there is no point doing any sort of test. Coming out from the test centre someone could have coughed two cars away from you, that whiff could have inadvertently blown into your car, and infected you.
Regulator,
3/30 million have had it twice. Pretty good odds hey? I'd take my chances. Lol.
"point us to a link where it says those with antibodies can infect with touch."
I beg your pardon? Are you for real? Why do you think that people are being told to wash their hands and clean surface? It's because you can spread the virus through touch. Antibodies deal with viruses when they are internal (e.g. on a mucous membrane via IgA, or in blood via IgG and IgM). They don't stop you from carrying the virus externally (e.g. on your hands or clothes.
"How many people in the world have been reinfected? Point us to a research which says you can be reinfected."
The Hong Kong case was confirmed as they genetically sequenced the virus both times. They were from different clades. There are currently 16 strains of Covid circulating in the UK. Various labs are in the process of sequencing these and comparing the samples from people in the UK who have been reinfected.
Regulatory , if you are antibody positive you can’t spread voice through touching things , that’s nonsense
RegulatorUk
You heard the scientists clearly saying, in London, the infection may not spread as much as other towns etc BECAUSE there are a lot of people with antibodies 17%. That in other words tells you, those with antibodies do not get it or transmit it.
In Israel , they are asking those who are antibody positive to work in covid wards to help covid patience. google it.
RegulatorUK
point us to a link where it says those with antibodies can infect with touch.
How many people in the world have been reinfected? Point us to a research which says you can be reinfected.
I think you're talking rubbish.
The 1st person reinfected was South Korea and there are a lot of questions on that.
To this day, no one in England has come out to say they have been infected twice. or indeed the world.
"Surely you can only spread Covid when you are infectious stage."
No. You can spread Covid19 through other methods, e.g. by touching an infected surface and transferring it - without you having an active infection. It's why you're told to wash your hands, not shake hands, etc.
" Yes you may have started to develop antibodies therefore it can get picked up with antibody test but also likely to be picked up with antigen test as well."
No. An antigen test will test for an antigen - not antibodies.
"Re reinfections only seen the hong kong case as being evidenced. Most of rest likely cause is poor test quality."
No. There are now a significant number of clinically evidenced re-infections across the world - including here in the UK. Appears to be most prevalent amongst clinical staff.
Surely you can only spread Covid when you are infectious stage. Yes you may have started to develop antibodies therefore it can get picked up with antibody test but also likely to be picked up with antigen test as well. Re reinfections only seen the hong kong case as being evidenced. Most of rest likely cause is poor test quality.
It's also worth pointing out that the 'rate of infection' is not related to how many people have antibodies - it's about the rate of increase in the number of people testing positive for an active infection as measured at two different dates/times.
"This is a confirmation that those who are antibody positive do not spread CV19 and also cannot get reinfected."
No it isn't. You can spread Covid19 (e.g. through touch) even if you have antibodies.
There is also increasing evidence that you can be reinfected. Our organisation has a clinician who has tested positive and negative multiple times, as has my partner's hospital.