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Understand what you are asking. Governments needed to heed the warnings from Dec 2019 and act. They did not put their pandemic planning into overdrive. What was the pandemic plan and where are we now against this Plan? VanV thars a good question for RP!
BBC Click article (iplayer) indicated monitoring algorithms were triggered on 31 Dec 2019.
Trump was in denial (just recently changed this position) and CDC in a mess with their in-house test which put the US on the back foot.
Wrt UK, PrimerDesign was off the blocs and submitted a test to FDA and PHE for evaluation.
FDA sat on this. PHE appear to also have wanted to develop their own in-house solution. Everyone seems to be reinventing the wheel yo save money. Time is the most important variable in a pandemic situation. Still is... So, the question is:
Is the Government going to use a 90-120 min test with 100% homology with over 1700 mutations or a 2/3 day test?
Its up to Boris. I would go for everything you can get. Order what Blair proposed.180M tests. But order the best not the cheapest. PHE have done the evaluations on PCR tests in March 2020. Where is thus report. How did the internal PHE fair? Cost is one thing, but time is another. We are running out of time and the costs being borne by the country mean a test cost is meaningless. Test, test, test.
With the centralised approach being adopted by PHE, lots of available PCR machine resources (labs, university etc) are not being used.
Germany did not go with the centralised approach, hence there daily test rates are much higher....
Please listen to the Today article referenced
R4 Today (1/4/20) 1hour:25 mins in from 6am.
Tom...could you tell me how many pharma companies were able to supply in volume a test for Covid 19 in January or February?
R4 Today (1/4/20) 1:25 in from 6am.
Test ordering needed to be done in Jan/Feb. Testing should not be centralised. Test takes 2-3 hours. High volumes of tests to control quality should have been done in hospitals, not in a few centres - the time lag is too great with the centralised approach.
How do some experts know this and the Government does not?
What test time for response? 90-120 minutes or 2/3 days. Social usefulness may be about to be implemented ventilators. Come on get on with tedting using the the most accurate and fastest method. OMG we are fighting on several fronts.
Jacksdad
NHS STAFF AND CARERS for elderly should be tested with proper test kits
over 80 countries buying ncyt test kits
Before the lockdown where do you suggest the mass testing should have taken place?
Difference with the UK press conferences is that there is an element of truth and transparency which is appropriate and not always good news or nice to listen to.
have talked to nhs who are annoyed they cannot return to work to help because they possible have a cold or flue unable to get a test so cannot return to work
how many staff are the nhs down because not enough testing
also carers who go around homes helping elderly can not get tests do not know if they carriers or simply have had colds
Sorry LP what was it you asked me yesterday? I was busy sanding a floor.
Jacksdad, i applaud your daughters exploits. But she would have 0 knowledge of the national shortages and response. she works in a singular unit. Not tasked with managing the wider response. She is in the trenches, so to speak.
If we are to believe current figures, a mere 2,000 out of 500,000 front line staff have been tested.
If you draw comparisons to the South Korean & German response they prioritized testing and as a result were able to manage their death rates. As they have a more accurate reading of infection numbers then can allocate appropriate resource where needed.
To boot, you are in no way well researched here, as when i presented you with evidence yesterday you slivered off very quickly indeed.
Van you’re no different to Piers Morgan. Umbrella on a sunny day. What is it you are trying to achieve? We have better scientists here in the uk than those in the WHO and I am happy to follow their advice and not that of a load of pseudo experts like yourself
VanV, ok
Additionally do we not have a chemical industry that the Government can galvanise to support the effort against covid19?
At the start of the pandemic someone mentioned "war" as not being the correct phrase. I think we must wage war on all fronts to save lives.
Gnatt charts will become of interest in identification of critical paths.
Anders_UK ,thanks for this link earlier on https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2196-x
Towards the end the report states that even after the symptoms of Covid-19 have cleared the virus can remain and replicate as a mild infection in you upper respiratory tract .This means that you could have been given the all clear with an antibody test but still be able to spread the virus on to others. The only way to safely continue is repeated testing with the antigen test until you provide a negative result.
I am fully researched here. I have a daughter working on an ICU as we speak. Protocol, capacity and PPE are her main concerns. All the noise around testing is unhelpful and a red herring. Government policy has been to keep people away from hospitals and to self isolate with symptoms. That is the correct policy. Those with CV in the health service at the moment are just as likely to have picked it up before the lockdown like the rest of us. We now enter a period where the virus peaks..testing will now become relevant as we need as many fit people back at work as possible. Your brush with celebrity and your wish to sell more kits is driving your posting, not a desire to help those on the front line. As for NCYT they’re doing a great job in scaling up to meet the demand, I am not sure they’ll be able to do it and that’s why a TO is inevitable IMO
test test test well done borris nice too see you back global
Van.. why don’t you conduct you’re little ego trip in private. This is not the place to do it!!!
VanV, yes please.
R4 Today 8:33 onwards.
Prof Fortune interviewed. Only way out of this in order to get to other side is vaccine (or therapeutics) or herd immunity.
Comprehensive serialogical testing is essential.
In fragile health care systems around the world sadly they will have to use herd immunity. Sobering...
Begs the question why was herd immunity a starting point for the Government with minimal testing as this has put us on the back foot - we are not a third world country.
Vaccine 12 months + away.
R4 Today has brilliant articles this morning
Important point is testing is required.
test, test, test.
NYCT I applaud you tonight!
Peston now need to ask conformance of Roche, Thermo Fisher and NCYT tests to positive test cases and monitoring for mutations. PHE made an assessment in March 2020.
Results please...
NCYT world leader.
I haven't seen this link on this board recently.
https://www.biopanda.co.uk/php/products/rapid/infectious_diseases/covid19.php
It is from BioPanda reagents, and shows when the antibody test becomes usable to detect antibodies, indicating the patient has had the virus.
https://www.biopanda.co.uk/php/products/rapid/infectious_diseases/covid19.php
Interestingly, according to the DM today, the BioPanda website says they are unable to accept orders from outside UK at present, and the govnt is known to be interested in using this product.
Associated DM link:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8177189/UK-bought-2million-coronavirus-antibody-tests-China.html
VanV,
I have it on good authority that the tests bought from China by the Spanish government were not unreliable but used wrong. At least , that is the feedback I am getting form China.. Result is the same though. No use for the data as you are referring to in your email.
MS
VanV, thanks for the email trail.
When will our government wake up and realise that our PCR tests are the only way forward for reliable testing of frontline staff.
Well done Van
Charlie on breakfast bbc is questioning paul cosford med director phe right nOw.
VanV, As you have Robert's ear, why not send him this link which suggests that protective antibodies don't develop until the second week of infection.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2196-x