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Yes Basscadet, mainly tax benefits but there could be more too and we may qualify for relief on Capex, if within the Freeport.
If we win the trial, I don't think we shall have any difficulty demonstrating the financial hardship Samsung has caused. Judge and jury will hopefully empathise and push damages up
Ah thanks ddubya. I was wondering if there was any genuine innovation going on with this freeport idea but if it's just about tax avoidance I can't say I think it's worthwhile. I dont think they will be any use for helping small companies grow unless they are able to set up all their operations witin the port. In that case they are just an economy within an economy. It doesn't benefit the nation at all but creates a wild west of tax avoidance. In practice on balance I don't think that will be possible anyway. Arrangements for comapnies will be so complicated they'll just be used for warehousing as they are in other developed economies which is why the last lot were shut down by Cameron. Another way for the big boys to avoid paying tax I'm afraid which is one more way of tipping the scales in favour of large comanies against small ones. Better for the Samsungs than the Nanocos.
If Nanoco win a big payout there will no doubt be tax implications. I'm happy for my small part to be taken. I'd rather the govenrment put a national strategy in place to support innovantion and small business that includes large international corporations paying their fair share so that that there is at least a more level playing field but I fear it's too hard for them.
Hi Basscadet. There are expected to be a range of tax benefits, including up to 100% relief on Capex and relief on National Insurance for certain employees. Great for expanding businesses.
You may well be right Nanonao, but then do all of us loyal shareholders who have supported the company through the bad times miss out on the really big bucks?
My own belief is that Nanoco will become a potential target for takeover (friendly or hostile) once the legal action is settled one way or the other, assuming the patents are upheld.
Why would they want to be inside a freeport ddubya?
It would be fantastic for the UK, if NANO and similar firms were nurtured by our government and actively assisted to expand here Screenlearner.
We require a little more than just words though. I am not sure if Runcorn scrapes inside the planned Liverpool City Freeport or not but it must be close .
All interesting, but none of us has a reliable crystal ball (unfortunately, or we would be rich long before now). Apart from the ongoing litigation, Iam interested in whether the Nanoco Board still just wants to own the intellectual property and have others do the manufacturing. I know this has been their strategy in the past, but seeing how this strategy led them to being allegedly screwed over perhaps if they win a tidy sum in court they should consider doing the manufacturing as well. The UK could do with a world class new technology platform like this. I would be really sad for it to be bought out and then we have to buy back our own products (as has often been the case in the past). And I'm not just talking about Runcorn, I am talking about something 10-100 times bigger.
In my view, the intent of Samsung’s application to the Patent Board for a review is solely an attempt to delay proceedings and continue to starve NANO of cash. If the ST deal falls through they could even get lucky and NANO give up completely (although the litigation would live on).
That would realise the biggest prize for Samsung, to neuter NANO as a supplier of CFQD and IR nano particles, leaving it as the undisputed leader and manufacturer in each market.
I suspect that LOAM, Mintz, NANO and their backers will not allow that to happen but what a struggle so far, and quite a lot hanging on that PTAB decision now. Either a jury trial in Oct/Nov (outside chance of settlement) or at least a further year’s delay. I know what I want, so fingers crossed - it is going our way this far.
I don’t like to speculate on settlement numbers but if we win, I think the worldwide total will be measured in $bn’s and certainly many multiples of $250m.
I think because the markets are largely driven by sentiment, and a small company like Nanoco is relatively unknown.
We can take some heart in the fact that the biggest investor, LOAM, have increased albeit marginally, whilst other large investors have held steady
It is still a risk, the PTAB board may not report in the way we hope, plus there is the possibility of further dilution if Samsung really ring the case out. However there is no guarantee that Samsung will win any appeal if it went that far.
If the PTAB is positive, I'm not expecting the share price to skyrocket, but I would think it would reach the sort of levels we saw when the Apple contract was looking rosy.
At the similar time I first invested in Nanoco about five years ago, i was looking at companies like Nvidia, Square and AMD, look at how the value of those have risen since then. Look at Tesla.
Nanoco couldn't catch a break it seems, but they may be about to now. I think it's worth the risk.
I'll try that again, my screen suddenly went crazy and I hadn't finished my post.
Sometimes I think it is the buy of century, but other days I remember the old phrase "If it seems too good to be true then ...." So I haven't invested more than I can afford to lose! However I admit I have more invested here than I have in other single individual shares (exluding investment trusts and unit trust where I have the bulk on my investments).. So I am opimistic, but I realise the risk and I am expecting to have to wait some time for this to pay off. Indeed I have already had to wait years! Remember we on this board are almost exclusively investors in Nanoco and are therefore biased. You should always ask yourself " if it is such a great deal, then why hasn't the market noticed it and adjusted the price"?
Sometimes I think it is the buy of century, but other days I remember the old phrase "If it seems too good to be true then ...." Don'tinvest more than you can afford to lose,but I admit i the is the individual share (exluding investment trusts and unit trust)where I
This is what confuses me with the sp at the moment; over the first hurdle which was massive ; the patents board next ; but all looks good Samsung hasn’t really put up a decent argument they have never denied the use of our product; then to the courts which I believe will b more about settlement than anything else ;thats if Samsung does not try to settle before that ; if the figures talked about on here or even somewhere close are right, am I wrong in thinking this is the buy of the century; if any one got any views I would be great full; I am thinking of buying more on Monday tbh I would of definitely bought more if sp would have gone to 50 or 60 but when something looks to good to b true it normally is ; thanks in advance