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The pont stands however we get our carbon from plants they get it from co2. To demonise co2 through radiative forcing theory(ridiculous interaction terms in overfitted models) is frankly the most bizarre thing the left has done since the invention of communism.
Thats a brilliant point poker which is why it's far better to minimise use of natural habitat that is entirely separate to burning fossil fuel and releasing co2. Moreover green policies are increasing demand for farm land not reducing it. Thinking bio fuels, solar farms as well as the farm land use to farm flax etc. If we revert to fossil fuels we can turn alot of land back to its natural state.
Good analogy 365, unfortunately we are all treated with contempt and the details we are bombarded with are cherry picked for the needs its promoters, I would love to know where the hundreds of billions in revenue is going to come from when we are not buying fuel for cars, not using gas for heating, not paying road tax, not using tobacco. The honest worker will get shafted, I mean more shafted.
" If plants had a vote they'd be thanking each one of us every time we drive a car."
oh really ?
"plants" - also need water, nitrogen and other nurtients .... which are depleting somewhat as land once occupied by farmland and forest is turned over to urban use by the ever increasing populations as they expand their urban areas in their cars
Urban areas of Australia for example are using more and more water, year on year...putting more and more pressure on water supply for "plants" .... not sure that giving a plant co2 in one hand and taking away water from the other is such a "great" idea
Richard co2 is plant food and carbon every atom in your body come from carbon plants extracted from co2. You are part of the carbon cycle. C3 plants are basically carbon starved at 400ppm when they evolved there was 4000ppm in the atmosphere. Only a select few plants are c4 photosynthesers, like maize etc and flourish in the low carbon atmosphere of the present. One thing is for sure burning fossil fuels and releasing co2 prolongs life on earth and isn't destroying the planet since we are all here because of the miracle of photosynthesis. All plants die at 150ppm as will all life on earth, co2 has steadily declined from 5000ppm at the Cambrian. If plants had a vote they'd be thanking each one of us every time we drive a car.
The issue of environmentalism won't go away as we are all a part of it, but sadly, we're provided with poor information or treated like idiots or just simply behave like idiots.
The young swedish activist Greta Thunberg has received plenty of publicity recently as she's trying to show people who are in a position of power that changes are not being made quickly enough to save the planet that we are all helping to kill.
But, the information that most of us are provided with or that politicians choose to share is at best, misleading or downright deceitful.
I had a look to see how energy intensive it is to manufacture carbon fibre which is the component used in the yacht Miss Thunberg is using to cross the Atlantic Ocean. The figure I found is a factor of 14 times more energy intensive than using steel, which can also be reused time and time again whereas recycled carbon fibre cannot currently be realigned and thus loses much of it's strength. Currently a lot of waste carbon fibre goes to landfill. So not necessarily an environmentally clean way of travelling as would initially seem.
I also looked at my current car and worked out the carbon dioxide that would be produced in it's yearly cycle. It came to two tons which is approximately the same as a commercial return flight produces per person between the UK and the USA. Interestingly, if a family is planning a holiday on the continent then it's almost certainly significantly cleaner to drive a reasonably modern internal combustion engined car to and from the destination than it is to fly.
We're all supposed to grasp the technology of electric cars in the years ahead, irrespective of how the electricity is produced that replenishes them each night. We tend to believe that the absence of an exhaust pipe makes them completely clean, but I read that between 7 and 9 tons of carbon dioxide is produced during the extraction, processing and manufacture of the batteries for a mid range car. The problem is that we don't see this part of the process; we just see a shiny new car in a showroom.
I was also curious about the damage on shore wind farms were causing to peat land, predominantly in Scotland, as many farms have been sited in such areas. The potential for carbon release from these areas is huge as apart from steel and concrete foundations, the number of access and connecting roads is contributing to the peat lands drying up as the natural movement of water is being disrupted and contained by these roads. Some reports suggest that more carbon may actually be released than saved due to the siting of these wind farms.
The recent major power cut in the south of England was partly due to wind power being an uncertain source of energy, unlike gas or oil which can be controlled and predetermined. It seems more cuts may become an issue as our energy supply mix changes.
I don't have answers, but I find it interesting that what we are often told does not tally with the facts.
Boomer, no one likes bad or negative news, but that's what we got - you can't ignore it. It's a realistic view whether you like it or not.
As for global growth continuing, I doubt that. My guess is the Germans are already in recession and more to follow - including us.
Markets are no indication of growth these days, investors are hearded into stocks for yield by CB policy. NIRP QE is screwing us all, and certainly won't create REAL growth based on sound money - it hasn't happened and will not - ever.
Remember, what was pumped in (trillions) will need to be pumped out. The Yanks just tried it (QT) didn't last for long did it - nope!
It's a global world now, CBs are losing the plot and running out of ideas. We're all going down the chitter in what order remains to be seen.
How we position ourselves to minimise the impact is another matter - that's the positive bit..lol.
Yes BB, absolute poverty has halved in the last 19yrs.
If you are a glass half empty person then may I suggest investing is not for you,it is a risk ,times are tough at the moment all external problems but lloyds is a sound business
End of ppi countdown.
You are like a bad news prophet. I'm just surprised we aren't headed back to Victorian times in your view. The future will be better than the past if we can see off green hysteria about plant food, it has been so since the start of the industrial revolution. Yes there are bumps in the road like communism, fascism and the latest variant so called environmentalism.
You are being ridiculously pessimistic. The general trend in global growth is up and that will almost certainly continue.
How come?
People are beginning to wake up to the potential here.