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Fair play lads, great points for all players and clubs to ponder over.Have a chilled Easter Hols .
I'm pretty sure they enjoyed playing the game or they wouldn't have been doing it or able to get to the premier league, some sacrifices may have been made sure but the advantages outweighed them at all levels or they wouldn't have continued. If you think a couple of hundred thousand £ a week is a reasonable wage for playing football then that's fine, if you think they should be paid that at the detriment of the no football playing staff and being paid that will drive their club to bankruptcy because of their short sightedness and greed, then fine. If their club is earning the money from people paying a fortune to watch a game and they are happy to pay that then that's up to them, I'm not interested in it and wouldn't waste my money on it. My point was, that the club is not generating the revenue to pay these players but the players don't have the brains to realise they are draining the clubs of funds and will destroy the club eventually causing it to bankrupt and everyone loses everything.
Hi 99trebble i admit I don’t know the football situation much at the minute but I do agree with you to a certain extent about there wages if it was averaged out over their lifetime it would still be good goin but probably not as much as you would think of the top of your head. But if that’s the case they are refusing to help their club in a financial bad time because they think they deserve it, then they cannot be surprised if they end up with no wage at all because their club couldn’t folded. I’d also assume if every other club is facing the same pressures as they are a business, then that player would most likely become less attractive to employ elsewhere. Maybe the bigger picture is more attractive ? My view would be everybody pull together from the top to the bottom and do what needs to be done to pull through hard times for the benefit of everyone.
Thats plain wrong, as an FA coach, these lads have sacraficed their time in childhood to attain the positions they are now in.They will also have been rejected, injured etc many many times.Their careers are very short in consideration to the public, and they do a lot of great work for charities that would go unnoticed.All that aside, they have an Army of fans and are idolised by youngsters, who ultimately wish to emulate them, but its very very hard.Its my view, but if they make it, they deserve it, for all the hard work theyve put in.Thats the opposing viewpoint.
Very true on the salary point, that has become blatantly obvious in the news recently with the greedy, entitled footballers not taking a pay cut forcing others who earn a fraction of their pay, to have their pay cut and risking the financial viability of the clubs... Just for kicking a ball about and 99% of them aren't even much good at that.
Hi slugmum
Yes I agree no one wants to over pay on the old tax bill lol but they are a very long way off paying any tax with that set of accounts. Thats why when I hear the phrase I will always put the company first to defend another misleading statement, this time on the Railsbank sale I think now hang on a minute. In regards to you purchasing shares I salute you, balls of steal my friend lol
JonnyE agree with you on the business front which appears contrary to Cameron , again my opinion But I have dealt with a lot of people and it’s extremely rare someone would take a pay cut unless cornered, most people always think they are underpaid And would fiddle something given the opportunity to line their pocket as they genuinely feel they are entitled to more, so Cameron on 2400 a month from 175k!! I’d eat hay with a donkey if that was true.
It is poor that they can't provide what they said they are going to provide as proof of gold. They even managed to kick that can another couple of days lol
Nice to have a actual discussion here.
Smbbb
I agree with what you're saying, I don't think any CEO should bleed the company when it's desperate for cash to grow, it's definitely the best way to destroy the business during hard times, as can be seen with hundreds of companies folding now after 2 weeks of no turnover, size doesn't matter as they have all been bled relative to their balance sheet leaving no emergency funds.
Although I don't know who he is, the non executive director would be a good 'fall guy' to be seen to have lost alongside us but I doubt he would lose anything in reality.
No proof of gold holding has been provided yet, cameron said he would do it this week so I'm leaving it until the end of play friday.. After that I'll do what I've said I'll do. No proof of any physical gold backing is too much unnecessary risk along with the risk of holding the shares.
Smbbb
They are fair points made re consultancy and administrative expenses, it's a legal way to bring down your tax bill ,whilst shuffling money around.
I don't think you are a troll, you are entitled to your own opinion as a shareholder at the end of the day.
I understand 1p sale may not be for everyone but that is why I have called out to shareholders who genuinely feel this is never going to relist/is dead in the water/written off their investment.
To those shareholders, getting something back is better than getting nothing, right?
Hi JonnyE
have they given any proof of gold yet i see it’s been 8 days now?
I would love to sell but
1. I have a lot more than 100k shares
2. I’m not with HL
3. 1p wouldn’t leave me with anything worth the bother considering there is a slim chance it would come back.
I do think this is con but also believe that there is a slim chance it could be chased back to market so to speak.
I’ve said many times I could be wrong and I hope I am, but putting the the blinkers on and living in hope isn’t goin to get any of us anywhere it just makes us easy targets.
The More questions asked the better and clearer the picture will be one way or another.
On a company losing 865k a year of which the majority is ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSES Cameron was taking 175k, yes some was put into shares here but that’s still lining his own pocket. if he is putting the company first why not leave 150k in there, (don’t pull it out to put it back and claim he’s done the company a favour ) until he has made a business capable of paying high salaries. It’s not like he doesn’t have other incomes is it.
It’s quite easy for them to invoice tally from another company of theirs for admin services or consultancy or whatever and take money from that company so we would be non the wiser to what is actually goin in their pocket which originated from tally. This is just pure speculation but big Mj is a shareholder of first equity holdings along with Cameron, the tally shares he bought making it look like he’s the good guy in all this, could well have been repayed or part repayed through the back door as we don’t see invoices to the company, these things need a credible loser to go with us should the worst happen. Why don’t tally borrow money instead of to grow the business this year interest rates are next to nothing if there is a sound business case here a bank would back this? Less dilution ? You may think I am a troll but I want this back on market and trading at a good price as much every other holder but patting each other on the back saying we’ll be millionaires soon because the gold price has risen is just lah lah land and achieves nothing for any of us. Hope everyone’s keep well.
I'm gobsmacked...
I'd have thought you would be overwhelmed with offers.. It seems really strange that there are people who've made it their main mission in life to slate every aspect of the business, everyone who's part if it and any historical character related to them all .. It's all a massive (with emphasis) CON JOB by a bunch of CROOKS... Yet they don't want to sell for fair free market value... How VERY strange it is????
I guess we really are living in some strange times.
Fair enough Deano, everyone has got a price.
We can revisit further down the line depending how things are progressing
> would you swap them for a autographed photo of rodson ? .......Gladly! That would be like winning the lottery jackpot!
Agreed bigbench, I appreciate everyone has their own varying opinions of Tally.
I'd buy off anyone who wants out for 1p, of course providing their holding is with HL.
I've recently been through the process with them so from experience I know how to do it and do it for free.
Bigmj has enough shares already (53m IIRC) - I'm only looking to increase by a small amount... circa 50k-100k depending on price.
Nomoola if you are interested then message me on the Tally forum. It depends how much you want for them...
The door is open so anyone who is umm'ing and arr'ing... what are you waiting for? Lets talk business
I won't be selling any as I do think this will be back to the market...main market hopefully..late this year before Christmas would be just right. The product is excellent...use aboard alone it's worth having... They just need to get it advertised & rolled out across Europe then globally for it to really take off... Cash is needed to do that so if you believe in this then pile in on the IPO...if not sell up to any buyers out there.... Bigmj was offering 1p if my memory serves me right.....id probably consider paying 0.5 if I was looking to buy of another holder who just wants out.
would you swap them for a autographed photo of rodson ?
And the reason I'm giving them the opportunity to show they can raise higher is that this year's write off is down to the market and covid19, not Parry's incompetence for once, though it has given him a good excuse lol. So long as he sticks to his words until 2021 and does those things I will wait until next year.
While I could be tempted to sell I think at this stage now I need to wait and see what the next raise is done at. Last one was 1.5p, I would hope 2p+ would be the price this time. Then I would hopefully be able to sell out in the liquidity event for close to the closing SP later in the year, so long as the company sells itself properly.
Selling for 1p though isn't something I'm keen on just yet. Would snatch your hand off at 2.5p though lol
Slugmum:
Not that I've written these off completely, but they are certainly very stale! Would you contact me at wevotedleave at europe dot com and maybe we can arrrange something.
Big risk = big reward if this comes back at say 4-5p range
ell I think this will come back to market, however it is pure speculation as to when. It might be 1 more year, 2 more years or even longer. In terms of share price on relist I have no idea with all the dilution, change of business, revenues, priced in future growth etc.
I’m effectively doubling down on the horse in dead last place. A risky game but can offer the greatest rewards
Hi slugmum
What do you see happening here- could you share thoughts on the case to buy more shares? And where you see the share price going and why?
Cheers
I have just recently completed a purchase of some Tally shares from another shareholder. If you have written off your investment here, you hold 100k shares or less (or want to offload 100k worth), held with Hargreaves Lansdown and want to sell then get please get in touch with me to discuss further. You can message me on this board or preferred through the Tally forum. My username is chipchop. Let me know a price and we can go from there.