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TC in a nominee account your broker will generally offer you a price between the BID/ASK for a trade below the 'market size' for the share & often depending on the 'action' often greater than the market size .... when shares go NT within a nominee account for a trade under the market size is when you should start to pay some attention as that's when it'll be put to the floor & you pay or sell what you get without that 15 sec window to make up your mind on an offered price/value.....
i thought the mm’s were a bit more mischievous than that… it’s they that move the bid and ask… in the 15sec decision time for instantaneous trades… to control what the trade goes on the books as… a buy or sell relative to the mid… and they use their ability to delay larger trades being booked to suit their own agenda for what they want the market to see those as too… so a large buy at 10am could be booked as a sell at 12… if the sp has gone up in the meantime… hence why they still get booked as a buy if the sp went down in the same period… they can’t book it as a sell when the mid drops below the trade price…
the MM's just report a trade at X price sites like this one assign it as red or blue based on how it fits in with the MID point at time of posting it up ....
TC it's as much about how it shows on here 15 minutes after it was made & people start crying 'why is my buy showing as a sell' .... it's also why there are occasionally drops on the bid that aren't visibly supported by trades until a sell(s) appear on here 15-20 minutes later that support it......
For instance the other day someone was saying they'd been offered to buy at a price that would have appeared RED because it was below the mid point .... there were indeed subsequently trades at said price which were buys (reported in RED here) shortly after the SP on here & mid point dropped reflecting what was actually occuring....... had it dropped previously the buys would have been shown in blue as you'd expect ...
i’m not sure how the mm’s would be able to print a buy at ‘x’ as a sell when the sp had gone down during the 15second trade time they give you to decide… or vice versa for a sell where the sp had gone up in that time…
No TC I meant it as I said it at the current paces of decline/rise..... In a crash or boom scenario all bets are off!!
Every week that goes by in not closing Amapa sees further cash-burn by these guys its true...
Evan - this is very very true. During the height of covid I traded some shares I would consider Rat-poo normally. In fact considering how I started investing about 13 years ago, I sometimes envy the freedom emotion-free trading can give you !
A little bit of caution has started to creep in here as we are all aware Every stock is a gamble except Amazon it would seem , this is certainly no exception by far , we all know if for any reason Amapa fails then its back to where on the SP? we have value in EMH and this is what has helped move the SP quite significantly this is not one for anyone with a weak heart however the rewards should be healthy if the Amapa deal goes through and the mining restarts.
do you mean the other way around bannor…
buys show as a sell when sp is rising…
sells shown as a buy when sp is falling…
One thing i have learned from investing is that you can make money from badly run companies and well run ones, the only thing that is important is when you buy and when you sell.
Made one of my largest gains from QPP and we all know how that ended.
I only care about the SP performance while i hold it.
@Bannor: The trend is your friend!!
How's the 200 SMA doing.. still 27?
Spectacular share price performance in the last year.
"Seem to be a fair few large trades in both directions although I still think some ‘buys’ are shown as ‘sells'"
When 'buys' are shown red it often follows that the SP is dropping (conversely when sells are blue it's often due to a rising SP) whilst a change in BID/ASK catches up with the actual trading patterns the 15 minute delay in publishing trades on here doesn't help either......
Said it before & say it again if you want to know what's occuring at any specific time watch the trend not listen to all the bluff & guff posted here .... it falls, it labours, it flattens & rises the trades tell you which way at any time if you watch & read them properly ..... RNS's (& occasionally rumours) change directions if travel & alter trends not the hype, hopes & bull of posters on these boards.
Indeed @Bannor! I'm under no illusion, as I'm certain you aren't too that this is NOT a done deal. However, having followed the courts I'm of the opinion if it doesn't close soon (perhaps this month even), then the courts are likely to rule on whether to demote some (perhaps all if they are forced to act as a unit) of the secured creditors (the banks) to unsecured status. IF iron ore prices haven't plummeted before this decision is taken, which could take many months (but perhaps weeks) then it could turn out to be better for us in the long run. Personally I'm happy to continue to add around the 29p options price - it's a gamble for sure, but one with good odds IMHO :-)))
Ob.
Looking like Ganfeng are on a buying spree:
Ganfeng Lithium announced that its wholly-owned subsidiary GFL International will acquire 50% shares of SPV, a
company in the Netherlands, at USD130 million and will offer no more than USD40 million of subsidies for LMSA, a
subsidiary of SPV, to help the subsidiary develop and build Goulamina spodumene project. After the deal is concluded,
GFL International will get 50% of exclusive sales right of Goulamina project (phase one), which has an annual production
capacity of about 455,000t of spodumene concentrate. GFL International can get the rest 50% of exclusive sales right of
the project if it further directly offers financial assistance or assist LMSA in obtaining debt funds supplied by a third party
bank and others.
Our JV must look cheap at the moment.
.....needs to be & hope you're right otherwise it'll just be another notch on the side of the handle that reflects abject failures .... the other side being somewhat less notched ....
I think it will be worth the wait
Indeed @MLQ. Makes you wonder doesn't it, with ships vanishing or being rescheduled whether this deal will ever close! Clearly they expected it to do so by now. By the end of the month seems to be the current expectation, though if it closed tomorrow I bet pier two could be brought back into play pretty pronto! ;-)
"we're currently travelling in reverse!!!".... in a parallel universe !!
I’m surprised the sp hasn’t been hammered tbh. Stop the bs and seal the deal.
& you should also thank our BoD's awful & pitiful performance over the years on numerous fronts & grounds that through their poor decisions, actions, statements & dodgy choice of 'friends' namely one snake oil shyster salesman whose NPD character finally saw the 'chess' game he was so gobby about turned on him that you were able to buy at a consolidated 12p in the first instance .... although it did also provide me ultimately with the opportunity to top up again at around the 0.04p (or consolidated equivalent thereof) after the 'we're not going to consolidate shares) were consolidated shortly after....
Come on all you pom pom waving cheerleaders at the moment with almost exclusive access to this board you're not proving overly successful ..... we're currently travelling in reverse!!!... LoL
I think there is a fair few of us who got in under 9p, and can be considered long term share holders:)
9p to 28p is 211% regardless of whether you bought at £1 or 12p like me.
Evans3020
you must remember most on here got on at £1 or near it , the way things are going i probably won't see half of my dosh back G L A