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wobbles, critically the question could it ever reach 230p within the time frame where debts overtake the business. A choice of sp for a RI might not be an option! Also, factor in the pension funds wanting a return to dividends as they have payments to make. The restoration of routes has slowed to a trickle and some are being delayed. The end game of the pandemic is looking like it is going to be dragged out, unless we have a worldwide backlash against experts. If the anti vaxx mob would do something constructive and start attacking the expert advisors then we could exit the deep hole much quicker.
Danphonic, the idea that the pandemic and causes and items that effect it have no bearing on discussions on airline prices is a bit of nonsense. Keep well and truly clued up on the issue informs whether to expect an RI or not, for example. For wobbles, the question is waiting until sp reaches 230p. OK, so I ignore everything else, by 20 or 30 million quids worth of IAG and wait. But for how long? Would I not be wise to keep an eye on how well there is a return to normal and how attitudes around the world are affecting that time line? There is one fundamental difference to the airline sector today compared to 2019. A worldwide pandemic that some feel is over and some feel is still well underway. Every aspect of every airline is directly affected by it and therefore when taking just a mere 90 degree perspective on what information to consider when considering whether to buy or sell issues related to the pandemic must be the highest on the list. Normally it is the price of oil, but that barely gets a mention at the moment.
Danphonic, though to be honest I did think it risky having seen what some are like on this board, don't let it bother you too much. The fact that you may have been honest when many here have hidden agendas and simply try to manipulate or fib, is to be commended. Share ownership is not for all, (hopefully you are doing this within a stocks and shares ISA). I would say that there is good potential in many companies now we seem to be coming out of the Covid doldrums. It may be worth considering spreading risk, with interest rates likely to rise again, banks may be a safe bet, as well as some commodity producers. Not as stratospheric potentially but good all the same.
Good luck to all.
DYOR.
'it isn’t for not being vaxxed it’s for believing and spreading the misinformation that goes with it.'
Being jab free incurs judgement from most before one says anything.
Whether it's hate or being looked/spoken to as inferior or unclean, it's disturbing how eager some are to want to yield power and bully the 'other'.
No misinformation goes with it, and assumptions abound from you, and I've read far far more than you would care to imagine.
There's plenty of it out there, including millions who've been badly affected by the jab, types of people who never get sick from coronaviruses.
Wobbles they won't do RI but if they probably will be around 280p
Danphonic, I actually don't care what you post about. Post about anything you want. If it is something I wish to join in on then I will, if not I will move on. I was merely making a point.
Big Blue - with any potential Rights Issue. If you were to choose this avenue, would you give away 5% at 165p or would you raise 5% at 230p?
I’m sure our friends in Qatar would have something ti say on this (or offer funding?)
Ford. Two Posts. At the weekend. In direct response to muma questioning my motives and blue giving advice.
Agree it wont happen again. Because it's irrelevant. But you will not see me writing pages and pages about my personal beliefs. Thank you for taking low hanging fruit to try to invalidate a point. You will hear no more from me- because it irrelevant.
Danphonic, shut up idiot! You told us all about your infertility issues, your lack of housing opportunists, no deposit, your gambling issues (investing).
You telling us all about how well you did by dragging yourself out of the poverty breadline and now you deem to tell us what you wish to have on this bb as it does not involve you? Yeah right!
Self righteous much?
"Heart issues are more common after contracting covid compared to getting vaccinated by orders of magnitude."
Would like links to proof/numbers on this please. You can obviously catch the virus after being vaccinated also...and unfortunately suffer symptoms, albeit less of a chance if jabbed.
Not sure that an RI would be on the cards just yet. I know they said last year that that would not happen, but I would take that statement with a pinch of salt.
Arguing about whether you personally like or dislike lock down, masks, jabs etc is wholly irrelevant to SP. I am pro all these things but it is totally irrelevant. What IS actually happening, is the only thing relevant when talking about investing in this share. Please can we stop this nonsense of arguing about personal preferences. It's just noise and doesn't further anything. What IS happening is we are currently coming out of lockdowns, travel restrictions and mask wearing. We are likely to see impacted results from previous restrictions. These things are relevant.
b_b, thanks buddy, makes me feel better knowing that just one person out there would miss me. Now, where did I put that Suga...
https://simpleflying.com/asiana-removes-a380-from-schedule/
Some reality checks for the rainbow chasers when gauging just how much income IS being generated against the debt mountain.
The most fundamental important bit, if you are holding. If an RI drops, ensure you have the funds to buy up your allocation to ensure you maintain a breakeven. AN honest debate would be how big an RI could be, what kind of allocation could be expected and hence be prepared. Rather like begin vaccinated to prep your immune system, get informed to prep your finances!
Did you see how I ran the vacc debate straight into the heart of the IAG funding debate? Clever boy eh?
Tom1927. It's quite odd really and very lucky as I had a fair holding of IAG at 1.93, made a few pennies got out completely a few months ago and then into more NWG and LLOY, they did OK, (15+% in less than a quarter I think) and then in the meantime IAG tanked and I bought back in at prices between 1.28 and 1.40. How and why this happened I have no idea, (just blind good luck or someone up there is looking after me I suppose!) but it's worked out for the better.
Good luck to all. DYOR.
https://www.airport-technology.com/news/norse-atlantic-eu-us/
Like it or not, Norwegian MKII is competition and frankly IAG and BA could do without it.
"just like it's not your problem if I should die
Hope not fordm. We would never get over it. It would be the end of everything if you should go before us. It'll be out with the shrouds, orange juice laced with eternal sleeping powder and off to bed for the long sleep.
"It’s been clear since the start of covid posters on here care more about their investment than anything else. And are willing to let it affect all their opinions and ignorance of facts"
Yep, count me as one of those that care what happens to my investment. Do I care about an octogenarian dying and covid may have shortened their lives by a few months?
No. I could care less, the reality is, I'm honest about life and death. Those older people that are dying, not my problem just like it's not your problem if I should die. Why are you not paying for someone's mortgage that have lost their job, if you feel so socially responsible?
Don't make me laugh.
And yet again you spew the same old propaganda about the 'un-vaxxed'.
Sure vaccines work, for those that require it, they should take it. Did you get a Yellow fever vaccine before you went to Tesco yesterday? Because you never know right?
FWIW, I am vaxxed.
"'Mostly ill in hospital are jabbed because 99% of vulnerable people are double jabbed.'
That would be the case if the jabs make absolutely no difference..."
What about those jabbed that didn't need to go to hospital because they had an immune system able to fight of the virus when they inevitably contracted it? No vaccine ever professes to guarantee complete protection, but your chances fighting of a virus having been vaccinated is on any measure higher than not having any vaccination and just hoping you get lucky with whatever state of your existing immune system.
"Most in hospital aren't in primarily for covid anyways."
Counting methods need a full open scrutiny.
"It's not like saying seatbelts etc, if you die in a car accident the seat belt had no effect to the outcome did it ?"
Again, what about all those in an accident that didn't die because they were wearing a seatbelt? As with vaccinations, a seatbelt is no guarantee of surviving you, but your chances are greatly increased of surviving if you are wearing one.
"You don't get hated/discriminated against as a seatbelt wearer or not, or have to prove you wear a selt belt to access places/events/services."
You can be prosecuted and eventually thrown in a prison as a persistent offender. There is a disquite against those who increase risk to themselves and ended up filling hospitals with completely unnecessary injuries. And there is an equivalent embargo on access to places if you are a smoker. Furthermore, ID is required across the board to buy knives, glue, alcohol, tobacco and adult material. Under your logic, all those restrictions should be removed so as not be discriminatory. Free love? You would like free sexual contact for any age between any age so as not have "hated/discriminated" behaviour directed at children???
"But you prove my point that the jab free being responsible for the busy hospitals is BS."
The overwhelming number of cases of direct covid problems occurs in people unvaccinated - worldwide.
"Meanwhile, only 17300 deaths OF covid, the rest had other ailments contributing to or causing their death. Hardly a pandemic and not a reason to risk kids lives with a deadlier jab."
The method of counting cases is indeed to be questioned, but by definition it has been a 'pandemic' and the vaccine risk to life for any age group is substantially lower contracting covid. And following on from the exposure of expert opinion being wide of the mark with modelling, add in the EU politics against the Astra jab and the still current lack of explaining how the heart swelling can be caused by a mRNA vaccine and then multiply by the fact that Pfizer report the same thing, as have all the others but with vanishingly small numbers and the alternative theory that the reaction was in fact a hypersensitive reaction to the metal of the syringe or a compound in the syringe... the case still isn't proven it was anything to do with the vaccine!!!!
Hurtle this is why people are judging you, it isn’t for not being vaxxed it’s for believing and spreading the misinformation that goes with it.
Maybe it isn’t malicious and you actually do believe what you’re saying but as someone who has a relevant background and has read a lot of scientific papers that go to it you’re not correct in the slightest.
Heart issues are more common after contracting covid compared to getting vaccinated by orders of magnitude.
Again the facts that prove this are easy to obtain and easy to read. Be careful where you get your information.
Jotom750 your average is similar to mine so hopefully we are ok from here.
It’s been clear since the start of covid posters on here care more about their investment than anything else. And are willing to let it affect all their opinions and ignorance of facts.
Hustle in struggling to understand your point here. If people weren’t vaccinated there would be a lot more people in hospital and a lot more people dying that’s the difference they’re making.
People who don’t wear seatbelts are fined aren’t they? I don’t hate people who don’t get jabbed but I do think they’re being daft with all the mounting evidence for how ill unvaccinated people get.
The reason we are in the state we are where those stats are possible and why it isn’t a pandemic any more is because people are vaccinated.
There base data unedited and unspun is out there to prove all of this. No “controlling” needed anyone who understands simple data and statistics can see this.
I wouldn’t want to make a statement on whether kids should or shouldn’t be jabbed but people a lot more clues up than us can come to a conclusion with that.
RIP ALEX Alex Apolinario dead at 24: Brazil ace suffered cardiac arrest on pitch playing for Portuguese side FC Alverca.
Nearly every bloody week.
Thanks Tom1927 for some reason and logic. It is sorely lacking here sometimes. Many seem to just sow F.U.D. and don't even own IAG shares. Others seem to abhor ANY rules, guidelines or arguments that may impact their investment by the smallest fraction of a penny, they are I suppose true capitalists willing to sacrifice all on their bonfire.
Regarding IAG shares though, having an average price of about 1.36 it's always going to be up from here for me I think, we may be in something of a holding pattern till results next month, (canny investors may take this opportunity/risk) to up their holdings. We seem to be locked in a bit of a formation with the American airline companies, rising and falling in unison, but Europe is it seems a month or so in front of America when it comes to virus/pandemic progression, so there seems no logic there other that the transatlantic flights effect which obviously impacts B.A.
Not sure others have seen this but I will place a link for it.
https://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/Industry+Sectors/Airlines
Good luck to all. DYOR.