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Thanks for the good work looed
"in that mode when reading your posts" - I suggest you take your own advice and re-read your own posts.
As for your patronising "calm down" - your emails elicit more of an eye roll than a rant or rage.
Lets leave it there shall we.
Looed - Calm down. I suggest that you read my posts again. Where does it suggest your posts are fabrications? Now I think you might be reading too much into my posts. I've explained why I queried the possible omission of a sentence. As for withdrawing any query, I suggest you read the last sentences of my posts @ 14:24 and 19:16 again.
MadP - No withdrawal of your baseless accusations regarding the translator I see, all we get is a casebook diversion to Tom Sharp. And now my posts might also be fabrications ? Perhaps you should indulge in a little less Sharpe and a little more reality.
RIP Charlie Daniels.
He sang the Devil went down to Georgia.
Well we could do with sending a few down to Tblisii to sort the bar stewards out lol
wodewick - That was the first I read back in the early 80's. I read them all again after 5 - 10 years. Not good to read on public transport. I once burst out laughing so loud that everyone stopped and stared, due to one of his books, 'The Throwback'.
Tom Sharpe-Riotious Assembly is a classic
Looed - I almost forgot that I had just finished reading 'The Wilt Inheritance' and I'm now part way through 'The Gropes' both by Tom Sharpe. Nobody has a more devious imagination than Tom Sharpe with his hilarious fiction, so my mind was already in that mode when reading your posts.
Looed - We have had to endure plenty of disinformation regarding FRR, plus articles etc with missing information, which distorts facts. Therefore, with just the repeated section, and no elaboration about POSTV, it was unclear whether it was positive or negative. Hence, my posts about POSTV showing it to be anti-Western and a media outlet that fakes news. With this in mind, it was only natural to query whether the translator had omitted a sentence. This was not 'throwing the translator under a bus', as my last sentence indicates. I may have been 'reading too much into this', due to my 'devious imagination', which had been stimulated by points previously mentioned.
MadP - I get each translation in a file separated into 4 blocks - Speaker / time stamp per segment / Georgian / English. I than have to cut and paste and find a way to format it so it fits the number of characters each LSE message can hold. I also try to make it flow in a way that makes it easy to read and doesn't cut off mid segment. The sentence is repeated twice because I cut and pasted the end part of that post twice. It is a simple editing mistake and by me, not the translator.
You could have just asked "why the repeat sentence" - completely unnessessary to try and throw the translator under the bus while doing so.
MadP, I know its not the case, but wouldn't some GD plant do exactly what you are doing - sow seeds of doubt about our translator ?
Sometimes things really are simple and easy to explain.
POSTV - Analytics: Shalva Shavgulidze is lying!
http://kvira.ge/475961
Internet TV POSTV publishes a video about the torture of Sulkhan Molashvili in prison.
Molashvili also accused Giga Bokeria of organizing torture. Molashvili's lawyer, Shalva Shavgulidze, demanded a criminal investigation into the incident and publicly mentioned Bokeria among the believers in TV interviews. This is confirmed by the archival material used in the POSTV video, where Sulkhan Molashvili and Shalva Shavgulidze mention Giga Bokeria.
"Today Shalva Shavgulidze is a teammate of Bokeria and Saakashvili. Shavgulidze answers the question raised by Bokeria about the alleged organization of Molashvili's torture, that he never asked for a criminal investigation to be launched into this fact, which is a lie, ”POSTV said.
Looed - This sentence is repeated in part 3 :-
'And, from one such company, you may have been well acquainted with it, is POSTV. So Mr. Ramishvili is an American investor in the country.'
Is there a bit of the translation missing?
We don't know if your translator is for or against the GD, or has been approached by them to leave out bits of information, now that he is working direct. Maybe my devious imagination is reading too much into this?
My positivity is dwindling every day this country is so corrupt that any major wouldn't invest in Frr imo!
MadP - many thanks - I could hardly find anything when I tried to search about POSTV. Zaza's comments now make a lot more sense.
According to the citizen, POPTV's program STOP XAM has staged a confrontation in Gori
https://netgazeti.ge/news/263878/
A Gori watchdog says a POSTV camera crew paid 20 lakhs for insulting the host of the STOP XAM show from a BMW M5 parked at a zebra crossing.
Davit Makharashvili, a citizen, applied to the Georgian Charter of Journalistic Ethics against POSTV for possible concealment of facts, violation of good faith, discrimination and intentional distortion of the fact. The Charter recognized this statement as admissible.
According to Davit Makharashvili, the material is falsified because the citizens are not really drivers. He said, "On the second day after the end of the program, the mentioned citizen admits that he received a salary of 20 GEL from the employees of POST TV for the falsification of the story."
According to the applicant, Levan Kenchoshvili, the host of the program, deliberately spreads false information, and in both cases, the incorrect parking was falsified, and the respondents' statements were staged.
"As a result, we see clearly negative and hateful calls from different parts of Georgia against Gori and Gori residents," the statement said.
The show STOP XAM is a very popular project in Russia. Levan Kenchoshvili made a similar project in Georgia two years ago. Last year, STOP XAM aired on POSTV's entertainment category.
"Hang on everyone, I'll stop where I want to go" - the author of the show and his entourage with this inscription stickers on the windshields of cars that break the traffic rules - stand on the curb and zebra crossing.
A few days ago, a parking lot supervisor in Gori said that the POSTV film crew put it in the M5 and paid 20 GEL for the curses.
Levan Kenchoshvili, the host of the program, told Netgazeti that he could only say before the Charter session that "no journalistic code has been violated."
Netgazeti contacted POSTV chief Shalva Ramishvili when asked if he knew how the STOP XAM program was being prepared, to which he replied that he would make his position clear and unambiguous at the Charter public meeting, and would not comment on the matter until then.
It seems that not only is POSTV an anti-Western channel, but it also pays people to create false news items.
Part 3
Opinions about NATO:
1. The program "Conservatory": "If Russia sees that your entry into NATO is real, it may want to swallow you;"
2. The program "Recipe": "The political game in which we are involved is becoming increasingly dangerous, and NATO integration in the frozen form in which it is now, in addition to the prospects, carries a great danger. Therefore, our strategic partners must be formed on time, whether they take responsibility for our security, otherwise everything will end for us with a scenario that has already been repeated many times, and then their anger, condemnation and sanctions will no longer be of any importance. "
3. The program "MediaARGEN": "If TV (Public Broadcaster) has to write NATO propaganda in the charter, will anything come out of that TV?" Why, Tho? Is it really the budget of 52 million people or our people, and NATO does not allow us to try or humanize Sazmau? Should we leave the Union of Fighting Gods (NGOs)? ”
Part 2
In POSTV programs, you will often hear quotes typical of the Russian narrative that Europe and NATO have weakened, so Georgia's place is no longer there; That joining our Western unions will irritate Russia and swallow us up; That liberalism in Eastern Europe is already perceived as hypocrisy, and so on.
We have been monitoring these online media outlets for 3 months and share their views on the air.
Quotes about Europe:
1. "Gurism": "In Europe, for example, neo-Nazism is a direct reaction to political correctness, multiculturalism and liberal democracy."
2. International Panorama: "The percentage of supporters of ultra-right parties is growing. In short, the liberal system is in crisis in Europe. Europe does not have a recipe to fight today's challenges."
3. International Panorama: "The Political Spirit of Conservatism Has Been Strengthened in Europe ????? In short, the results of the Austrian Parliamentary elections will be the same as in most European countries. And, how do you think this is caused in part? With the migration crisis… ”
4. International Panorama: "Eastern European countries, as before, are no longer attracted to the Western social model and perceive the European liberal elite as hypocrites."
5. International Panorama: The authors of the Paris Declaration declare that the biggest threat to Europe is not Muslim migrants and Russian political adventurism, but false human values ??preached by false Europe. Europe has declared itself the crown of world progress, but the European society, which is really immersed in individualism, is in severe isolation and the path is chaotic. ”
From POSTV presenters you will learn that liberals hate Putin and that Russophobia still hurts us:
1. The program "Gurism": "Liberals are always using Vazha's" Aluda Ketelauri ". This is done to illustrate what it takes to be a stranger, how to be tolerant, and so on. In other words, the love of the enemy, however, will be forgotten in the case of Russia. "
2. The Conservative program: "A liberal today is one who can't stand Putin."
3. The program "Recipe": "People are insisted and methodically repeated that everything they believe, what they are worried about, what their position is, Russian propaganda and believe me, no one has thought that after so many cries this average Georgian will stand up and say that it is good. , If everything I believe in is what bothers me and what is the essence of my identity is pro-Russian, then I am also pro-Russian. And then these anxious NGOs stand up and write reports that the pro-Western course in Georgia is in danger. ”
4. FB Review: After Misha, our own damaging Russophobia is no longer a state policy, and it has become exclusive to the Nazis and their equals. Not only all Russians are condemned, but everything that is at least slightly associated with Russia. "
POSTV is online media
It has more than 300 thousand users on Facebook
Its mission is:"POSTV is a kind of intellectual mutruk, which speaks to the public from its own worldview and is free from false political correctness. He has neither the mainstream character nor the phobia of marginalization, nor is he complicated by the media standard of religious dogma, nor is he afraid of the media inquisitors defending that standard. He does not criticize the government where criticism is already excessive and where he is criticized as Misha's narrative. POSTV is ambushed elsewhere. "As far as Gde-nibudya is concerned, instead of the words" Hello ", the personal address of" Hi "will be announced. We criticize the critics, the opposition, the media, the experts and the engineers who cut Misha's template. That is our mission. "
Lasha Natsvlishvili, the founder of this online media outlet, has been taking care of the public relations of the Georgian Dream party lately. It was not surprising that he was transferred to this position after the quotes that Natsvlishvili voiced on POSTV:
1. The program "Replica of Lasha Natsvlishvili": "Even in the boldest imagination we could not imagine the appearance of Bidzina Ivanishvili. His entry into the field of Georgian despair was like a vitamin injection in a weakened organism. The virus was receding, and eventually the sun's rays penetrated even the petrified masks, and the person, the memory, and the dignity were suddenly revived in humans. ”
2. The program "Replica of Lasha Natsvlishvili": "Ivanishvili is the last symbol of the people's service. The symbol does not need any legitimacy, it exists in itself as a hero, as a moral sovereign, as the last secular authority. He does not need power, because he himself is a source of moral power for Georgians. He does not need to be sculpted, because he himself breaks the idols. He does not need our money, because he is richer than all Georgians. He doesn’t need a fence because he lives in a glass house. There is no wall between Bidzina and the people because Bidzina is a people. It does not need an elite because it is egalitarian. He does not need to be glorified because he has already glorified his deeds. He does not need tyranny and a strong hand because his hand is ripe. He needs Georgia and the Georgians to serve them. "
3. Shalva Ramishvili's program "Mediargent": "I am neither a moralist nor a lawyer, but hitting Bidzina's morals, his lifestyle and his family in general is immoral, it is super perspective, because there is no trick in this direction."
4. The program "Lasha Natsvlishvili's Replica": Its treatment is not only conservative, but can only be performed by a doctor (Bidzina) who has already won a tyrannosaurus (Misha). ”
POSTV - a media outlet with anti-Western values
https://www.ifact.ge/postv/
Zaza seems to be talking about A startup cable channel POSTV -
"POSTV started broadcasting on November 25.
The company has a common broadcaster license and will be available throughout Georgia.
According to Shalva Ramishvili, socio-political programs will be aired on the TV company, including those that have been aired on Post TV.
"We have been on the air since November 25. This is common broadcasting. We have news, entertainment, analytical shows that were on Post TV - the form has changed, but the idea remains the same. This is a new vision of the current events, ”Shalva Ramishvili told us. Ramishvili did not answer the question about the number of employees and the budget.
The Georgian National Communications Commission (GNCC) decided on November 21 to authorize the general broadcasting of Postvi Ltd.
Temur Charelashvili is the CEO and 28% owner of Postvi Ltd; Nugzar Rukhadze is the director of public relations and owns 16% of the shares; Zviad Bliadze owns a 16% stake; Shalva Ramishvili owns 24%, Anna Shengelia and Vakhtang Komakhidze own 8% -8%."
https://publika.ge/postv-im-satelevizio-mauwyebloba-daiwyo/
Pt.4 (and final part)
Seth Char, Iconia LLC - To tell the American Congressmen that they are just lobbyists is a great irresponsibility and disrespect from the Georgian officials, which will not have a positive effect on Georgian-American relations. If Georgian officials talk about the fact that what the congressmen are saying is not true, then they should substantiate it with arguments and explain why they are mistaken. However, so far they have not done anything like that and are only limited to attacking the reputation of congressmen. This is bad diplomacy.
J2 - Markwayne Malin, one of the authors of the sanctions bill, says the United States is monitoring the ongoing democratic process in Georgia and the Georgian people's struggle for freedom. If the government does not follow the advice of friends, then the relationship between the partners will become much more difficult.
https://mtavari.tv/news/9192-ivanishvilisa-putinis-sakhipato-kavshirebi-morigi
Pt.3
Goirgi Vashadze, Opposition Leader - No one has the right, especially the chairman of the Georgian Foreign Ministry, to accuse any congressman of lobbying. This negative attitude must be urgently terminated because disaster strikes. We entered into a conflict with literally our main ally. This is the result of the diplomacy of the “Georgian Dream”.
Giga Brokeri, Opposition Leader - All this is, in general, a message about how concerned Georgia's strategic friends are pragmatically and based on the values of where Ivanishvili is leading the country, how he has put a dead end in all directions. Democracy, security, economic cooperation, selective justice, political prisoners - the whole range of problems.
J2 - In her letter, Markayne Mullin traditionally devotes much of his time to the harassment of American businesses, citing the example of “Frontera”, “Georgian Manganese” and “Iconia Capital”, where the Georgian government is threatening to shut down these companies and expel them from the country. Against this background, as the head of "Frontera Risours" tells us, the government is providing incorrect statistics on American investments to the Georgian Ambassador to the United States. Zaza Mamulaishvili also tells us about scandalous news.
Zaza - The Georgian Economy Minister meets with the US Ambassador and tells him that US investment has increased by 34% in the first quarter, and if you look at which companies the Minister says this is a Georgian, Russian, Iranian-owned capital. Georgian companies and not American ones, which is claimed by our minister. And, from one such company you may have been familiar with, POSTV. So Mr. Ramishvili is an American investor in the country. And, from one such company, you may have been well acquainted with it, is POSTV. So Mr. Ramishvili is an American investor in the country.
Pt.2
Journalist 3 (J3) - Mr Putin and his influence remain a top threat to democracy, not only in the United States, but across the globe. Look no further than the current situation in Georgia to see firsthand the impact it is having on those who are fighting for freedom. Although Bidzina Ivanishvili unexpectedly and quickly resigned as prime minister in 2013, he remains the de facto ruler of the government to this day. The promise made by the Georgian Dream to change the electoral system was a step forward for democracy. However, last autumn the Georgian Dream withdrew its word, which became an excuse for rallies and protests.
J2 - Despite such the heaviest formulations, the rhetoric of the „Dream” remains unchanged. The harsh calls of the US Congressman for the ruling team are still the opinion of one legislator who is a victim of misinformation or is only engaged in lobbying.
Unknown Speaker 1 - Markwayne Mullin, and another 1-2 exceptions may be. They have their own subjective views, some political sympathies, which may be caused by the activities of the lobbying organization, but the main thing for us is that we have an unprecedented, higher assessment of the international community. Despite his skeptical attitude, political sympathy and lobbying, we will continue to work with him and we are confident that sooner or later he will be able to determine the position of the entire international ...
Unknown Speaker 2 - As for the congressman's statement in particular, it is probably dictated by certain political or business interests.
J2 - After such reactions and statements by the government, the open and critical assessments of the partners were not unexpected for the opposition. When a friendly country accuses it of being an ally of the occupier, it is already a verdict for Ivanishvili, ”said members of the political party.
Pt.1
Journalist 1 (J1) - Georgian authorities have received another crushing message. The American Congressman, Markwayne Mullin, openly accuses the Georgian Dream of having ties with the Kremlin. The Republican Congressman focuses primarily on oligarch Ivanishvili. He recalls that the source of his billions is Russia and, along with many other arguments, names him as the emissary of Vladimir Putin. In his analytical letter, the American politician predicts that the Russian government of the Georgian Dream will eventually lead the country to the worst crisis. After the publication of the article, our colleague Natia Gogsadze recorded an exclusive interview with Mullin and she is now joining us live. Natia, what dangers does Georgian billionaire Ivanishvili pose? What is an American congressman talking to you about?
Journalist 2 (J2) - "Putin is constantly aggressive towards his neighbours and is trying to interfere in the elections and influence them," said Markwayne Mullin, noting that it is very dangerous that he has an ally in Georgia at the time, Bidzina Ivanishvili, who became rich in Russia. The US Congressman, who I known for co-authoring of the Sanctions Bill, said it was important for the country to develop democratic processes. "I am a friend of the countries that are fighting for freedom," said Markwayne Mullin, adding that "it is interesting to see how things turn out for the 2020 elections." It is not ruled out that the congressman will arrive in Georgia as well, but it will depend on whether the air traffic between the United States and Georgia will be restored. However, one and the most important thing that worries Georgia's allies and friends is the special, recent attitude towards the Russian government when they see that, for example, by harassing American business and breaking promised deals, Ivanishvili's regime gradually resembles Putin's Russia. Markwayne Mullin also spoke about Bidzina Ivanishvili's and Putin's dangerous connections in an exclusive interview with us. Republican lawmaker has long observed the actions of the Georgian government and its questionable rapprochement with Russia. Markwayne Mullin who was introduced to the Georgian society by the so called "Sanctions Bill", says that "one of the biggest threats to Georgia is Russia, which is being helped by Bidzina Ivanishvili."
MarkWayne Mullin - It is no secret that Ivanishvili has ties to Putin. Its capital is not Georgian. His property is also linked to Russia and Putin. However, no one can deny its influence in the political arena inside Georgia. At the same time, his ties to Putin should be the red flag flying for everyone. In my case, it really is.
J2 - "America must stand by Georgia in the fight for freedom." The Republican Congressman published an article with this title in Hills today. Oklahoma lawmaker wrote in a scathing letter that Russia-raised Ivanishvili, who became rich through corruption, is the biggest threat to Georgian democracy.