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Oh and just look at china who looked very much as Africa do now 75 years ago ( generalisation of course)!! Fast forward and china’s the worlds biggest polluter as they wrestle world dominance from the west !! And with Chinas Silk Road the same will become of Africa so yes Renewables are extremely important for all of our future !!!But it must be evolution and not revolution imho
Hey Banana I’m all for sustainability , have been involved in financing solar projects uk wide and it’s my involvement there that underlines the reality !!! Too many greedy people pushing an agenda to suit their song ! Sustainability is about long term planning and honesty with the public to have them build the agenda not follow it
Frac,
I just read all about problems with renewables from you. So what is your solution?
Regarding Africa you should check how much energy they use. They are not the problem. If developed countries manage to get to net zero this will also in the end make less developed countries be able to reach the goal.
Here we go banana : Global development agendas are all premised on peoples’ right to sustainable development and poverty eradication. Actualizing this right and bringing hundreds of millions of Africans out of poverty requires widespread access to secure, affordable and reliable energy. However, the reality is that the region remains the world’s least electrified, with inadequate, unreliable and generally expensive supply, severely constraining development ambitions.
Extract from previous post !! Nae heat pumps just some decent housing stock and once poverty stricken areas generate self worth they will soon do the right thing imho!! I’m off to the pub
Omitted the link : https://www.uneca.org/stories/africa%E2%80%99s-energy-transition-calls-for-pragmatic-measures-to-keep-the-continent-competitive
Well you boys have the same dna as the algo !! The only rumble here is Rumbelows and they went t.t.up for not believing that vhs was dead !! The energy dependency of a country is likely easily explained by age of housing stock , complexity of supply chain and nature of wealth creation !!! I’m all 4 energy conservation but let’s just do it for the right situation
Well spotted Yeah Baby,
I'll take it further. I'm working on the premise that you are actually all one person with a massive Dissociative Identity Disorder. I didn't make the AGM but did see a picture of the room with a whole bunch of empty seats and one geezer with 50 name tags.
Have a great weekend one and all . . . . . .well, ok, . . . . . you just have a great weekend then.
GLAXXX
Sorry monkey not clear what you meant.
So when you say not on your behalf. Do you mean that you would like Romaron to stop posting about ESG?
Not on my behalf BJ,I just think your nuts,just look at the amount of recommendations your posts get compared to romarons,says it all,gla monkey
"And talking of leaky houses can’t see heat pumps working in the 3rd world slums anytime soon and they just run Diesel generators all day !! And that accounts for a good 2-3 billion people"
So are you suggesting that we should forget about net zero and just use the cheapest form of energy, regardless of external costs?
IMO I think we need to put a lot of effort and money into electrification of everything. It is not easy, but just saying that we should continue using O&G and put our head in the sand is not the solution. Of course during transiont we need to produce and consume O&G.
@romaron:
Regarding sun beams. Did you miss that solar panels is the cheapest way of generating electricity, no need for cucumbers. And guess how it became the cheapest, not by listening to you for sure.
What do you think is easier to solve, recycle solar panes or make O&G to become net zero.
Solar panels have usage of 25-40 years aswell.
Again I would like to thank you on behalf of everybody on this forum that you brought up the ESG discussion again in this forum.
Correct Frac but you aren't allowing for hopium or sunbeams from cucumbers which are showing promise in trials.
And talking of leaky houses can’t see heat pumps working in the 3rd world slums anytime soon and they just run Diesel generators all day !! And that accounts for a good 2-3 billion people
Well Chernoble , 3 mile island and Fukushima were just accidents !!! Just need a few terrorises with bright ideas and a few million are gone !!! Green but luminous
Of course if you wish to widen the discussion we can start with why is natural gas up to 10X more expensive in Europe than the US and why does a litre of petrol (gasoline US) cost them the equivalent of £0.90 and in the UK £1.72.
We are saving the planet because we're responsible for 1% of CO2 emissions. The US is responsible for 14% and best we don't include China and India.
Not sure what you mean with simplicity.
Saying leaky house make heat pumps not viable is just a fact that does not make sense. It is not the leaky house that does not make it viable. Heat pumps is a heat source and it does not depend on if your house is leaky or not. There are other reasons though and make your house less leaky might make a solution to make it viable to install heat pump. But the root issue is the energy that your central heating can produce with different heating sources. And there is different options to fix this.
" note nuclear is now their green energy "
Nuclear is green energy and fossil free. Not sure where you wanted to go with that comment.
BUT when you hear the 90000 fans @ Coldplay cheer the vapid ‘were green video’ it’s quite obvious the west is looking directly into the sun and blinded by rhetoric without factual knowledge !!! No doubt the UK is that 3rd generation society imho
Bj the answer is simplicity !! Family stay in Finland where homes are timber frame with significant insulation and heat pumps are the norm and very efficient solution ( note nuclear is now their green energy )
Missed the gem from you:
"15 years ago I sat with engineers at a Mitsubishi presentation of heat pumps. Much cleverer experts than me challenged the multiples (COP) claimed by them. They never achieved what Mitsubishi claimed."
This is just pure FUD. Maybe the COP from manufacturer is a bit overstated but that heat pumps deliver a substantial COP is a fact. So what did the clever experts say was a reasonable COP to expect?
Thanks Romaron for bringing up ESG again. It seems this boards love to discuss ESG.
" I am a believer in heat pumps but they wouldn't work for me and my house was built in 1994. Only new build really make heat pumps an option."
Could you please explain what a leaky house has to do with heat pumps? If you manage to find the answer to that. Maybe then you could give a better answer to why it might not make sense to install heat pump in your house than just some blanket BS statement that heat pumps do no work with leaky house.
Badly insulated homes are not good regardless of heat source. One is that it is just wasting energy, second is that it gives bad "heat comfort". I.e. even with high temparature the house will feel cold if you have it badly insulated.
Improve insulation should be the first step before even thinking about installing a heat pump. It might be hard and not economical on a old house tough. If your house was built in 1994 and is badly insulated I think there should be room for improving insulation though.
Depending on price of electricity and gas it could be worthwhile to install a air-to-air heat pump regardless of insulation aswell.
The scale of the task towards net zero is far, far more challenging than the evangelists preach. The emissions produced in the infrastucture of solar and wind are considerable but you'd have to increase further if you required the same EROEI as fossil fuels. Arguably the quest for net zero does not really change the emissions if you wanted to eliminate fossil fuels altogether.
15 years ago I sat with engineers at a Mitsubishi presentation of heat pumps. Much cleverer experts than me challenged the multiples (COP) claimed by them. They never achieved what Mitsubishi claimed. What wasn't focused on was the leaky housing in the UK. I am a believer in heat pumps but they wouldn't work for me and my house was built in 1994. Only new build really make heat pumps an option. This was probably known by Mitsubishi but their interest was only to sell heat pumps. I surveyed new builds c.2010 that had Economy 7 meters fitted but installed cheap panel heaters. The cost of them is prohibitive and I remember people wearing coats indoors in 2010 because they couldn't afford to turn on the heaters (advertised as 100% efficient).
I read that public electric chargers are increasing prices. A quantity surveyor for a large contractor (my brother-in-law) says they are concerned about unintended consequences of wind power. We plant hedges as windbreaks. A US university has found a difference in temperature on the protected side of the turbines. Solar panels cost $20/30 dollars to recycle. You can bury them for $1/2. It goes on......
If the public were told the truth they would be more amenable imo. We have enjoyed cheap energy for decades. It was always underpriced. It is only expensive today because we never paid the true price in the past.
My head has never been in the sand and I have worked in the insulation industry. The public were only told what they wanted to hear. Politics works that way. If it fails, find a scapegoat or pass the buck.
The narrative is changing but those criticizing the childlike understanding of the climate activists are not the enemy. Pretending that people have climate concerns as their no.1 priority is just nonsense. Money in their pocket is no.1. If you have politicians lying to them is it not surprising that they go for the cheapest solution (another handout). Telling people the truth isn't easy but is the best way forward imo. It hasn't been tried before.
Romaron Level 3 Diploma in Green Deal Domestic Advice 2012.
And interesting to note that 30,000 tons is needed in the windmill raft alone yet they still are taking 138000 acres out of food production to “offset”: https://www.windpowerengineering.com/take-a-closer-look-at-pouring-turbine-foundations/
https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2012/05/09/emissions-from-the-cement-industry/