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They’re will be millions of antibody tests tickling into the home market Bumble but I agree with your future view on digital solutions hence why I’m heavily invested here. I think GB will get this tech moving towards end Q1 21 but it goes far beyond Covid as you know. Plus, I don’t think the U.K. will adopt it first.. more likely China. Huge fan of the idea and tech.. looking forward to seeing it up and running
I said antibody
Pilgrim, antibody test, not antigen.
Stu & Pilgrim - Indeed, I did see the news about Omegas test in that they are continuing to liaise with the MHRA regarding approval for self-test home use. Still not available for individuals to buy yet - but only a matter of time I imagine.
With gov getting first refusal though, not sure how many will end up trickling into the consumer market in the short term.
Yep no labs, technicians, swabs, reagents etc needed but a self administered rapid test for mass screening and daily if necessary. PCRs are well and good but once cheap, self admin tests are readily available PCRs will be used a lot less.
Bumble..ODX have CE marked home test antibody kit..just waiting for MHRA approval
Newuncle...errrm..
We are talking about HOME testing kits yes?
The Siemens one is authorised for clinical use, not home tests...
The test has shown 100% (91.8-100, 95% CI) diagnostic sensitivity and 100% (93.8-100, 95% CI) diagnostic specificity1. Sample-to-answer time, including extraction and generating the result, takes 2-3 hours, depending on the molecular system and lab resources employed. Up to 32 patient samples can be analyzed per kit.
Retire, what is it that NCYT are selling? 6p to ÂŁ11 on the back of it, whatever it is?
I think the world is crying out for antigen tests rather than antibody tests. That said I’m sure they’ll sell a fair few but not the 10s of millions a week that quick self-administered antigen tests will sell.
Bumble...errrm…
Industry News: Siemens Healthineers begins delivery of CE-IVD registered SARS-CoV-2 test kits
The molecular test kit promises 100% diagnostic sensitivity and specificity, and is authorized for clinical practice use in Europe
01 May 2020
Omega Diagnostics are awaiting MHRA approval for their lateral flow antibody home poc test. This is part of a Govt' consortium that includes Abingdon. Touted as being the 'gold standard antibody test' but everybody seems to be shouting that line about their product. Not a cross ramp just info' based on this thread.
From the gov.uk website, last updated 15th Oct:
"A self-test kit is one in which you take a sample, test it yourself, and then read and interpret the results yourself as well. This is different from self-sampling where the sample is taken at home but then sent to a laboratory for testing.
There are currently no COVID-19 self-test kits in the UK suitable for home use and it is illegal to supply them for use by members of the public. This is because no COVID-19 self-test kits have a CE mark. However, this may change if CE marked self-test kits become available"
yes
Newuncle, so a CE mark will state it's safe, and works to a standard, but what standard? If it takes a week to show up in blood then you've been spreading for a week. But the CE mark just states that it detects what it detects, nothing about how diagnostically useful that is.
It looks like the biosure antibody test to me that they are using which is an antibody test not an antigen test. I have said before if the BT identifies asymptomatic and people pre symptomatic then this test will be better than existing swab PCR testing as these people can be missed currently! We will see soon enough.
I think that is right - surely this is not dissimilar to the first antibody tests that came out. I took one myself whilst lockdown was going on out of curiosity and it had three markers. No antibodies, antibodies and current infection. The person administering the test indicated that was judging by the current active level of them whether it seemed you were fighting off an infection.
If that is correct, and I understand there were big accuracy issues, it would not necessarily cover the period well when you were infected, infectious, but your immune system had not yet responded fully to it.
The beauty of the DVRG system is it tells you what you need to know. You need to know on that day whether that person is capable of spreading the disease.
I am not a scientist but not sure you can identify a covid infectious person with a blood test
. Finger prick tests can identify antibodies for Covid. If this is the case then the Pocdoc test is a bit misleading. Happy for those wiser to shoot me down.
SG, yet another example of the market wide endorsement of what GB &Co are developing and testing right now. It totally validates what DVRG are doing and should be seen by people as such...A MASSIVE ENDORSEMENT OF DVRG BREATH TEST KIT AND APP.
Re CE mark , some info:
Clinicians and hospitals are advised by the MHRA to use medical devices with a CE mark, as this shows the device has met the legal requirements for safety, quality and performance when it is used as the manufacturer instructs. The MHRA further advises that off-label use of a device, such as use of a device that does not carry an appropriate CE mark will be at such user's own risk and such person or their employer could become liable for civil claims for damages from injured patients or their families if something goes wrong with the device.
13th monkey, a CE mark is pretty valuable to anyone developing and launching a new product
At what point in the infection cycle is it able to pick up through blood? What does a CE mark mean? It doesn't mean diagnostically useful.
Here is an interview just released on Bloomberg highlighting what pocdoc is all about.
It looks pretty polished and ready to go right now in the uk, they have a CE mark to allow them to offer the product all over Europe.
This is a pin prick blood sample method of testing unlike our breath test offering.
They have the QR code passport similar to what our BT test is offering.
That is the sort of publicity and marketing we are crying out for.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2020-10-22/pocdoc-offers-10-minute-covid-test-video