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A link to what I posted...probably summarised.
I think I understand where you are coming from and yours is a pertinent observation. But I suppose it is up to the Indians to decide where to spend their money and I think the debate of Mars Mission v Sanitation has already been made in the media.
On the flip side their space missions whether to the Moon or to Mars are at a tiny fraction of what NASA or ESA spend - in the region of a few hundred million dollars as opposed to Billions. India is well known for frugal innovation - Harvard Business Review has actually done some case studies on how and why India is able to deliver at a fraction of cost. I seem to recall case study on Narayana Hospitals (Prof.Devi Shetty) in Bangalore - a high tech hospital doing heart surgery at a fraction of the cost and in numbers that far exceed what the NHS does in a year. With outcomes comparable or better than in the West. To the extent that they have set up/setting up a hospital in the Bahamas or somewhere close to the USA to tap into their healthcare market.
Anyway, I digress and not for the first time :)
2CVGuy....yes we should hang our heads in shame collectively as a nation....re food banks :(
The point I was trying to make was before a space program surely the cash should be spent on basic infrastructure to benefit the whole nation? The fact us India appears to spend cash where it suits the few not the masses.
I can only assume the Weird one is banging on about something.
What Imperial said at 11:15 about infrastructure and the lottery of where you are born, and lets not forget the first-world UK has the shame of foodbanks.
Well said electricity theft in the the U.K. is approx £500 million a year and rising.
I would not in any way deny that India has truly massive problems on a huge number of infrastructure fronts - what we in the West/developed world take for granted - Clean water, sanitation, roads, etc. These are challenges that come with a circa 1.2 billion population and not enough money to go around. Our circa 63 million UK national population will comfortably fit in quite a few of the Indian states.
China was in a similar situation infrastructure wise about 3 decades ago and if you visit any major Chinese city and view their infrastructure you will see that we can never hope to match them in scale, speed or efficiency - even after making a huge allowance for their form of Governance. They are building 1000 and 1300 bedded hospitals in a few weeks on the back of the recent Coronavirus. Can we match that in the NHS ? Definitely not.
It is too early and perjorative to write off India as a "joke nation".... being poor is more often through circumstance. Why shouldn't India aspire to improve the quality of life for its citizens ?
For a bit of perspective....How well is our UK smart meter rollout going ? I get the impression that there are some minor delays..... or for that matter the Digital Radio rollout, Heathrow 3rd runway....it's easy to be pointing fingers that entire countries are incompetent and are jokes.
We should look at our backyard first with humility.
Hi IL While I can respect your apparent knowledge of the Indian model, they do as you say have a large economy, they also have a space program. Never visited the country but have many collegues who have. Perhaps you could avail us of the quality and level of infrastructure throughout for example roads , sanitation etc. My understanding is there is a very significant level of poverty throughout? Not good for a country with such a large and successful economy I'm sure you would agree?
Good morning jake,
I believe that your 08:06 post, may be referencing competition. A situation that John Cronin has acknowledged in the past, mentioning Trilliant and SilverSpring in particular, I seem to remember. But I cannot remember in what interview it was. But I have mentioned this previously on the bb.
John Cronin has also mentioned that " ...... CyanConnode will not win everything ......... " So as share-holders we understand that.
But that has not stopped CyanConnode steadily progressing, against fierce competition, as we appreciate that other companies also have an RF offer.
Surprisingly a "joke nation" happens to be either the world's 5th or 6th biggest economy. The "joke nation" has successfully implemented one of the world's biggest Identity card systems (Aadhar cards) and also the biggest country to use Electronic Voting Machines for their elections. They are not having competitions between Sunderland, Newcastle and Gateshead as to who announces the election results first with bits of ballot papers floating about.
The "joke nation" has produced technology people who effectively control large swathes of the global economy today and the hugely successful Silicon Valley companies have been built/led with Indian exported brains - Sundar Pichai and Satya Nadella for example.
Like it or not, the many Indians like the Chinese are blessed with brains, though they don't always have the money. Necessity is the mother of invention. Poverty is not something that people aspire for - it is often their luck and circumstances in life. Many of us are very fortunate in where we were born or live or for our lot in life.
The "joke nation" may yet have a few more Jokers in the pack !
BST, has gone even more "shy" after posting news from 2017 and portraying as if it was from 2019 !
Awaiting news and evidence of successful 200k deployment from L&G in New Delhi which was announced internationally in 3 countries on 04 Sep 2017...would love to read all about how wonderful the deployment has been !
So why no further update from a global giant L+G from Sep 2017 ? We are now in 2020 !! It's probably because L+G technology is not working in New Delhi LOL - that's why !!
This is only one that's up and running and look at the date of the article. Sure it's not the only one and things would cerrainly have moved on technically but DYOR.
And therein lies my fear Ted. We've been here so many times before with contracts disappearing I'm cautious and like I say taking a watching brief. There is more than one mesh solution out there, some already operational elsewhere in the world. I did post some others a long while back but can't be bothered to look. That's only my opinion though and like they say DYOR.
Tedders. The multi billion boys are in the same boat as the CC minnows, relying on a joke nation to implement what they promised to 6 years ago. They are no closer now, unless you count the newly named meeting groups getting some excited. I thought the contracts 'due' numbered 3, and they were around £5 million each. As of November 1st, CC confirmed that they had not lost an expected contract. If they don't get a move on, Indore will be more a museum than showcase.
Morning LTI.. They are at it again. Whose a naughty boy using the Royal We.
Everybody knows what you mean except BST.
Obviously BST cannot appreciate what is going on in Indore, or it does not suit him.
We have all this interest from countries around India; it would be nice to be back in Africa.
If something pops up (Indore) that ticks all the right boxes, works and makes money and hopefully at a good price then of course they are going to be interested, especially after all these years of frustration.
I should imagine many other global meter concerns will be interested in (CC Inside) or at least CC attached.
Only me thoughts, DYOR.
Hi Jake, weren't there supposed to be 4 contracts due in October? Wonder if we'll ever hear of them again?
Still waiting for the answer lti. Can you copy and paste it here when you receive it?
Actually this is old news from 04 Sep 2017 - with little to show for it so far in terms of installation or implementation it would appear. Wonder why a global multibillion dollar corporation like L&G has not publicised their installation in the Capital of India ? Guys would not have to travel to Indore to see what actually works ?
Happy to stand corrected if you are able to provide evidence of the outcome of this contract announced from 04 Sep 2017.
Morning Ted, regarding your last point I have been suggesting the same for some time.
There was a bit of debate on here about the size of contract that would have been necessary for Cyan to meet market expectations for 2019. I wonder if rather than not been actually awarded yet, maybe some tenders were awarded to the competition. Look at the timing and scale of this:
'September 2019 - Landis+Gyr, a global smart metering supplier, with its smart grid solutions, secured one of the largest smart metering contracts yet awarded in India, with Tata Power Delhi Distribution Ltd encompassing 200,000 single phase and three phase smart meters, the project was a follow up to the contract for India’s first Advanced Metering Infrastructure (AMI) with radio frequency (RF) canopy, comprising 500,000 endpoints, which Tata Power-DDL awarded to Landis+Gyr earlier in 2019.'
Also, interesting to note that CC don't have exclusives on RF canopy solution.
Sept 4 - We are currently working on a large number of tenders which we believe will result in substantial new contract wins for the Company by end of October.
Oct 31 - The award of these contracts continues to take longer than anticipated, and while they are still expected to be secured in the coming weeks, the Company is now unlikely to meet market expectations for 2019.
Jan 6 - The purchase order, worth £3.3 million, includes a full set of terms and conditions under which the project will be implemented. The first project planning meeting to discuss the roll out and installation of the meters will take place during January 2020.
India are in typical Modi mode, 250 million meters in 3 years or less, and they still haven't started ( REMEMBER THE ELECTION WAS MAY 19 ). Newbies, none of this is IMO, it's all fact. If India ever begin, CC should be well placed. John Cronin is clearly getting news, that proves totally incorrect, on a regular basis. DYOR.