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OS as you said "I am perfectly prepared to be educated" and as we know education starts at home, you can find the purchase price of the Murata kit and relocation project costs in an RNS. Murata's range of supercapacitors can be found on their website. Have a go, you never know you mighty enjoy starting to research.
James, I agree with you.
OS, and why does Murata didn’t stop the license with cap-xx ?
Wasn’t there an announcement why they sold the equipment ?
And did Ioxus sell their equipment to xs power since it was loss making ??
Jeez OS I have been in some agreement with you lately but the below post is just a poor effort even by your low standards...
Interesting . I suppose the question is well how much did it cost and how much is something worth that no one else can buy ? Interesting dilemma. Murata obviously were facing a huge loss after deciding they didn't want to carry on so it was surely a buyers market. Time will tell if it was the bargain of the century (all bought with our money of course). Covid didn't help of course but surely the success of this project is AKs final chance
Open that's how I see it myself but I could be wrong! But look at what Avx did with prizmacap built a new facility and had machines built specifically for prizmacap production (pouches ).
Maybe I'm wrong but my money's been topping g up a bit here but this is only my own thoughts
Hi OS, I’m 99% sure. Rational is that it is a highly automated production line. This means the process steps are integrated (dosing electrolytes, folding/cutting, testing and id-marking..)and thus very inflexible to make something else than pouch type products. Since Murata sold these under license of cap-xx the answer is there.
Brings me to another point: where did the electrolyte come from ? This is normally a relative easy scalable high volume product. Did Murata brew this themselves or did they buy it from cap-xx ?
3.14 Please enlighten me as I am perfectly prepared to be educated . Are you saying that this production line was previously be ng used to produce supercaps only under licence from CPX ? (I don't know if Murata only sold CPX supecaps). If the answer is yes are you therefore saying that the production line itself also came under the terms of the licence? Could it not be adapted to produce s/c other ten those lcienced by CPX.
Open you are right about it's only worth what some one will pay for it, but you are forgetting one thing it's only used for making our tech so any one else wanting too use it would be infringing our patents again.
Good summary Gideon, As regards the Murata equipment I always anything is only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it . So were there any other buyers in the market for it and what were the precise details of the deal. We can all look at things from varying perspectives . The important thing is that AK delivers and if he does I will be the first in the queue congratulating him . For years he has been the nearly man but I would love to see him actually £come good"
Great post Gideon....exciting times ahead :) AIMHO
Gideon, excellent post.
Please do also bear in mind the spire sales (coming from their malaysian subcon):
Spire dealt with the new environment by doubling down on existing clients and trying creative ways to find new ones. This approach had some success: Spire’s core metric is the number of patients who use its monitoring service, and Golz says the company’s weekly recruitment number grew by about 2,000% in one month.
Source: https://www.london.edu/think/sensing-the-future-of-healthcare
As welcome as the Ioxus judgment in favour of CAP-XX is we shouldn’t start to believe we are solely dependent on winning court cases for income or news to significantly boost the SP in the near term (as welcome and positive as they are).
AK now has a chunky settlement he can thrust in front of other companies he believes should be paying for our IP. This case may get some thinking long and hard and prompt new licence agreements to be announced in the near term.
Those with short memories may have forgotten that CAP-XX have bought manufacturing equipment from Murata for £1-2 million (a fraction of what it would have cost new) due to be installed and commissioned in Q4 this year. With Murata's supercapacitor production lines CAP-XX will have the capacity to increase production by approximately 3 x and dramatically reduce production costs. The previous cost of production looks to have been a constraint to sales growth. So increased capacity & reduced cost of goods. Not the worst plan and not that far in the future.
Murata have directed their existing customers towards CAP-XX, who will be able to manufacture identical components due to Murata waving any rights. Murata's total supercapacitor sales were running at approximately A$14 million per annum. Some of these orders would be very welcome.
RNS on new licence agreements, sales orders (from new or legacy Murata customers), or settlements could arrive at any time. Obviously the sky might fall in first…. but it might not.