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It's a hatrick today with the Infection rate, death rate and hospitalisation rate all down today.
It is abundantly clear that the peak of the 3rd wave is now behind us imho.
Covid Cases and deaths down again today. Has anyone been to see the new suicide squad yet is it worth a watch?
What seems to be more or less shaping up to be the new (current) norm. is probably about on the money for all concerned.
By this I mean the 31/45 day exclusive window for theatres (it maximises, or close to, the money for all parties). There are very very very few movies making (in percentage terms of their end take) any serious amount of money after that period.
Some will still likely go day and date, some will go straight to whatever form of small screen release.
I don't see any of this as a massive shift in the businesses.
Disney and others have their own businesses to run and with a worldwide pandemic we have had last c. 18 months it is only right the had eyes open and pursued various alternatives to them.
A business that stands still, especially when things around them are changing often find themselves left behind.
Studios have stated certain measures they have looked at/tried are down to the uncertainty of times we have been going through.
Many have new agreements in place going forward either from next set of releases or next year with theatres.
Three month exclusivity is gone for good I would be pretty sure (so long as it's a 31/45 window for the movies that warrant it then I am pretty relaxed and happy with that).
We have an instant gratification society now and things are ever changing.
Cinema, as any business needs to keep on their game and adapt.
Hence we have 270 screens, IMAX, ever improving sound systems, 3D, 4DX, laser projectors, there are and will be further advances.
As has been made clear in company reports business has taken this event as an opportunity to cut the fat (often seen in business that have had it too easy for a while), they have said effectively they are coming out of this period a better run business.
Removing sites that are a drain on the business, looking at wastage in all cost centres, adding bigger better sites that will generate better returns in investment.
There may well be less cinema sites in the future, but what is left is likely to be better quality for customer and business owner giving a better customer experience and a better level of profits to operator.
Blackbridge I suggested selling your shares as best move for yourself as it seemed you were saying you now felt you had made a bad investment and didn't see good recovery.
In those instances it is always better to take say a 37% loss than a 38 or higher percentage loss.
If your view is still the business will recover and give you good return on investment then off course selling now is not best option for you.
***still to short a window*** auto correct lol
The quality of the rips are absolutely mental, jungle cruis has 4k HDR Dolby Vision 2160p rips already available.... Compare that to F9, which those quality rips have only been available for the past 2/3 days after enjoying it's cinema exclusivity window (still too shaft a window in my opinion, 3 month minimum it should be)
Thanks PrettyWild. Selling is not an option at these prices; somehow the shares went so low that selling them now would almost be like giving them away. I seen an opportunity for recovery after the virus but I just never expected the studios to do what they are now doing. I think cinema will survive because it’s a good safe night out and compared to a lot of things such as bowling or theme parks it’s still relatively cheap. Disney must see a loss somewhere by streaming as the figures I am seeing are not just one or two people downloading but many thousands. Just a quick look today on one of the many websites and I could see 18795 people downloading Jungle Cruise, that’s crazy for a movie that came out only days ago and worse still is that the downloads are at a very high quality file size which is entirely different to what we used to see before Covid.
77blackbridge do not sell your shares like FunInvester has mentioned, don't know why he has said that? You are only worried like most of us over your investment. We will soon find out how much Disney has made this weekend and then next week over streaming piracy, which actors won't be happy about, they are shooting themselves in the foot.
Burgers haha. Spotty teenages in my building go every day to Mcdonalds, doubt they will go every week to watch the same movie!
Disney are doing what they are doing as Bob Chapek wants to create his own legacy and break away from Bob Iger’s vision. But rumblings from Hollywood can see Bob Iger potentially taking over again or maybe get another man in, as Bob Chapek is not steering the ship too well..IMO
I’m not saying that watching a movie at home is a better experience than going to the cinema; I’m saying that is a massively cheaper albeit poorer experience that a lot of people will take. So why are Disney giving people this alternative? No one is answering this question. I have said that I think its to break the cinemas but I only think this way because no one is helping me understand the reasons why this is happening. All I am hearing is analogies about burgers etc.
I dont want to sell my shares because I got in at over £1 so I'm sitting here like everyone else, hoping for a change and looking for answers.
Correct - often before UK release.
Ok sometimes not in HD , but often yes and almost always in a perfectly good format and quality.
Regardless still NOT the same product home TV - Night at the Cinema.
Been covered countless times so you have your view different to mine and some others here.
Wish you well with selling your shares Monday morning :-)
Yes they have been available but not on the same day as it’s released in the Cinema.
The majority of the world population hasnt gone to the cinema regularly for decades.
The business model doesn't require that.
For some time now pirate copy of films have been available and without people walking in front of camera etc.
Again what you can get at home before, now or for many years/decades to come is NOT the same thing.
If not happy with investment we are all perfectly entitled to move on, that's each individual's choice.
I knew about pirate downloads before I invested in Cineworld but I also knew that people got up and walked across the camera etc. for the first months of pirating uploads, right up until the movie hit the DVD market or went online via streaming . I knew these problems and I was happy with my investment because there was a nice three month window for Cinemas to make money. However with Disney now releasing directly to their own channel and cinema simultaneously, I feel the goalposts have moved and if I knew then what I know now I don’t think I would be in this chat room discussing why any large family will always go for the free download over the hit on family finances a cinema visit entails. Most people who invest in shares with enough money to matter to them, don’t worry about the price of a ticket but unfortunately the majority of the population s are not in this position and they will go for the free movie with takeaway every time.
Food is a great analogy.
Restaurants will survive despite cheap supermarket food cos it's not the same.
People will pile into football stadiums next weekend instead of watching on Sky because it's not as good watching on TV.
McDonalds will survive because despite all the options, their product and service is the best - just like going to the cinema.
Peope will continue to go to the cinema because watching on TV is not the same. It's a poor substitute - even if you are lucky enough to live in a detached house so you can't annoy the neighbours with the surround sound and still inferior 75 inch TV.
But most people in the world live in flats, appartments, semi detached or terraced housing and can't afford to get that (still) poorer experience.
And you've answered your own question in your last sentence.
If people are getting it for free, the studios will pull it from streaming. Simple as.
As with every single debate we have had for well over a year on the streaming matter here now that is just it....It is NOT the same product for free.
When we had only 7 or so posts on here this morning we already had 2 people who could account for a minimum of 5 people skipping the cinema because family etc have already watched it via streaming.
I asked my son to show me where people are getting these downloads from and on the site I can see three pages each with 20 up-loaders and each up-loader has a minimum of 50 people downloading and half of the up-loaders have over 1000 people downloading with the top three showing over 2000 downloading. Now please explain to me why piracy and streaming have no effect on cinema.
Comparing the like for like business of fast food is not the same as downloading a movie. Competition is how businesses work but where is the competition if your competitor is offering the same product you are trying to sell for free, or streaming it for the same price as one cinema ticket so an entire family and friends can watch it at home.
THIS is why streaming will never take off..
DAD: Kids! We're going to watch Jungle Cruise today!!!
KIDS: Yayyyyyyy! Wooooooo!!!
DAD: At home.
KIDS: WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!! AAAAGHHHHHHH!!! BLUBBBB. WAAAAAAAH. *Toys thrown about at walls *
Great work, PrettyWild.
You're doing God's work!
There is one.
It's called Burger King.
The independent takeaway owners that come and go.
You'll always get competition.
Even cannibalisation from their own brand.
The king still thrives and doesn't bat an eyelid.
Take that Burger van and drop one like it outside every McDonalds on the planet and see what happens to their profits.
There's a burger van next to the McDonald's on the high street here. Sells a few burgers.
Amazingly, McDonald's are still in business.
Crumpets I have just tweeted him the moron. I'm trying to look after my investment haha. What planet is he on, streaming and piracy is not a bad thing. I asked him if he had shares in Disney haha.
If only one person watches a movie via streaming then it stands to reason that streaming has had a potential -1 customer impact on the Cinema.
I actually real-life LOL'd reading this article.
Just how many shares in Disney does the kid writing this actually own? I'm guessing a lot.
The mental gymnastics he performs to explain that piracy isn't necessarily a bad thing is quite something to behold.
States that music piracy was just about eliminated when Spotify became mainstream without acknowledging that Spotify is erm.. ya know.. free!!
Here. Have a laugh at this: