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You may recall, but when Centamin was going through some very rough patches years back we discussed everything and anything, as well as Centamin, that's partly why the board develpoed s it did had such a varied and well informed group of members
I don't recall telling the others what to think, I just provoke debate and it seems this annoys some who feel that life is about things being slotted into boxes with barriers around them.
If the present government had been voted in under an electoral system based proportional representation then one could accept they had been democratically elected, but unfortunately isn't the case.
I appreciate that some are under the impression that the UK territorial system is truly democratic, sadly that is far from the truth .
Now the the present government intends to try and force through legislation first past h e post for Mayoral elections because they are aware that this will give them an advantage over othe'sr that stand, it will!
Mr Tibbles, I really think you should cut back on the stuff you are posting. I accept we all have views and like to post them, which is your right. However.....this is a gold mining board. Post stuff that relates to gold but please can you cut back on the anti UK Pro EU stuff. WE voted to leave in 2016 for goodness sake. Accept it, that's what a democracy is. I don't like the current government but I have to accept it as it was voted in. By the way slightly off topic...Bitcoin is far from finished. You call me foolish for investing but I have increased the value of my holding 10 fold! CEY whilst I have faith in the company comes nowhere near this. Please show some respect for the views of others. Thank you Mr T.
Hi Lynn,
Thank you for asking that Tibbles character to pipe down with the politics. I had to filter him in the end. This is a CEY board not a forum for political blow-hards like him to bore everyone with his narrow views.
Mr Dribbles woo! Sorry of course you know it all being a union man and talking to the man on the train. The rest of us poor mortals know nothing.Why don't you Just keep repeating the same old gibberish and crying you want the E U see how that works for you. Good luck Lynn
So the present government listens to you does it, I think not.
The present government is only in power because the present first past the post electoral system and the way the ward boundaries are arranged is advantageous to the Tory party and denies the smaller parties of taking any seats, hardly democratic
I'm still waiting to learn of the great advantages the people of the UK have gained since leaving the EU.
What happened to the ÂŁ325 million a day we were going to save, Oh sorry I forgot Boris & Farage lied, although now Farage denies ever making the claim.
So Lynny what have you got to tell us about gold then?
Have you ever takenthe trouble to write to Centamin about anything , probably not..
What have you ever contributed to this forum by way of debate or discussion, nothing apart from the same old boring or spiteful prattle that is on most of the other forums.
Perhaps you should take the trouble to read what some of the other forum members post, it's not solely or directly about gold or Centamin, but never the less very interesting and possibly related in other ways.
Why not join in, you might enjoy it, or possibly even learn something,
Mr Tibbles You say Labour will oppose changes well that will reasure people. Labour tee hee Labour wouldn't know Labour if it walked up and smacked them in the face your problem is you can't see there is no credible opposition you can't see it can you. Open your eyes stop lecturing what's the point lecturing on here. Go out there you are so biased you can't see singing the praises last week of Charles Dr Gaulle someone who sat in London while his country tried to fight. This week singing the praises of Claude Junker what's it all about going on and on with yourself. As for Labour when people vote do you just disregard anything you don't like you actually should be standing for Labour you are the perfect Labour politician. Just ignore the voters and the tax paying British public. Just carry on trying to get the remain vote through that should work especially if you only lecture on a site that's dedicated to a gold mine. Have you nothing better to do. You haven't lectured very much today must try harder. Good luck Lynn
It would require quite fundamental changes to the UK food supply chain and a huge reduction in product choice to move to a self-sustained system!
We need to import over 400,000 tonnes of fresh tomatoes every year to meet demand. âThe retail value of British tomato production... is around ÂŁ190 million out of a total retail market value of ÂŁ740 million,â the organisation explains. So weâd need a hell of a lot more polytunnels to get anywhere near self-sufficiency. Our pasta sauces and our salads would suffer for quite some time, never mind the investment required.
Sheffield Universityâs professor Duncan Cameron is the co-director of the Institute for Sustainable Food. He says we should be thinking about the sort of food system we want rather than how that system is acquired.
âPersonally, and academically, I think the issue of self-sufficiency is a classic case of the wrong question.
âWe talk of an air of Little England, and quasi-nationalism in relation to food. That might be present. But with sustainability and food security, we need to think about what sort of diet we want.
âWhen we talk about buying British, itâs difficult to know what that actually means. We generally do with lamb, but we all still want to drink coffee and eat mangoes. Itâs hard to see how far it can go.
âCertainly there is a logical case to be made for a more local and seasonal food system. Thatâs usually the more sustainable option, but it isnât always, even when taking food miles into account.
âTomatoes are grown under the sun in Spain â theyâre more sustainable than tomatoes grown here in a polytunnel. Itâs not always that local is best.
âAnother overlooked point is where does the labour come from? Say we did all buy British exclusively, who would grow and pick the fruit and vegetables? Around 30% of food manufacturing is filled by EU workers. Itâs more in the summer.
âWe need these skills and we have a heavy reliance on EU workers. Our food industry wouldnât exist without a migrant workforce.â
It ought to be supposed that there might be a degree of short-sightedness in this sudden, overarching premise of buying British, not only as a regenerative motion but as a political standpoint!
It works in some aspects but falls well short in others. And as it pushes on, the tide of Union Flags waving triumphantly atop joints of roast pork and summer strawberries, let us spare a thought for bananas, and olive oil, for supermarkets would be all the more boring without them.
Dominic Goudie, the head of international trade at the Food and Drink Federation, is a force of balance if I am not: âUK manufacturers are committed customers of UK farming, and also depend on imports of ingredients that arenât produced domestically or not in sufficient quantity.
These imports complement our use of UK-produced inputs and are key to delivering the world-leading choice, quality, and value for money enjoyed by UK shoppers.
âUltimately, the UKâs food and drink manufacturing sector is driven by consumer demand and over time consumers have come to expect foods and ingredients from across the globe.
It would require quite fundame
Weâre witnessing the toxification of the British brand!â
Joe Stanley says Europe is as important as ever, both when importing and exporting food!
We absolutely need to nurture trade links,â he says. âThereâs a reason America is so desperate to sign a trade deal with us â because weâre a wealthy nation that imports a lot of food.
âItâs taken generations to foster relationships with our European partners to get the food system we have. Liz Truss thinks, âoh, Kuwait eats a lot of lamb, letâs go thereâ. Europe is full of wealthy people, and we should want to sell them our food.
âIâm sure people donât want to go back to a diet of potatoes and cabbage. We were a culinary backwater. Everyone expects to be able to access a decent range of food. Sure, we should buy seasonal, and be local, but it cannot be only about that, realistically.â
The farmer and broadcaster Gareth Wyn Jones says the 'buy British' discourse is largely positive. After all, he says, last year was one of the best years for lamb, which was âup ÂŁ1 per kiloâ.
âI think itâs a really good thing. People are getting behind British agriculture. Itâs about bloody time. We have a lot of bridges to cross.
âWe should be adding to it â salad, fruit, veg. We need to be building that British economy on what weâre growing and eating. In the bigger picture weâll be more sustainable, more seasonal, and with no added cost. We shouldnât have strawberries in December and French beans from Kenya.â
But Wyn Jones adds that while the buying British sentiment is a welcome one, so too is continuing to nurture links with Europe.
âDiversity is good for food. We do have to ask ourselves, when it comes to cheaper food, âhow is that produced?â Do we want avocados brought in from Mexico, where its popularity is causing problems.
âBut yes, as some who put Welsh lamb into Europe, I donât want trade to stop. Itâs one of the best products in the world. Thatâs why itâs imported. And yes, it works both ways. French Camembert. Spanish ham. Wine.
âBut carrots â there is no reason why all our carrots shouldnât be British. I was a Remainer. I want to stay in Europe. Iâm not Nigel Farage screaming about buying British. But Iâm also a farmer who cares about the environment, so there is a valid point to be made, however itâs dressed up.â
When it comes to carrots, weâre pretty good, actually. The British Carrot Growers Association says the UK grows approximately 800,000 tonnes of carrots annually and is self-sufficient for 11 months of the year.
Patterns get a little more drastic when it comes to food that favours a warmer locale. British tomato production amounts to about 92,000 metric tonnes per year, which is about a fifth of the total volume sold in the country in that timeframe, according to the British Tomato Growersâ Association.
We need to import over 400,000 tonnes of fresh tomatoes every year to meet demand. âThe retail value of British tomato production... is around ÂŁ190 million out of a total retail market
The link is very evident from the discussion sites exhorting people to buy British.
It might turn-off those who identify as Remainers, but isn't it ultimately a good thing?
After all, when it comes to sustainability, limiting food miles and making the most of our lush pastures, sought after since before the Roman empire, are only good.
Granted we should be elevating our food sector, which has, over recent decades, been evolving, diversifying, and improving in quality, and as the pandemic has shown, there is much to be said for shorter supply lines.
But just far can the 'buy British' exhortations get us?
If we applied it to all our purchases, would we have the food to get by?
In short, no, we would run out by August, according to experts!
The National Farmersâ Union says we are just over 60% efficient, and that is talking generally.
When it comes to vegetables, we grow less than 50% of what we consume, and fruit is even less, we produce just 15% of what we eat!
âFor an island nation, being able to feed our population is absolutely critical,â NFU president Minette Batters said recently.
âEven as a global trading nation, shocks can expose fragilities in any reliance on imports.
We all experienced the impact of this during lockdown!
âImports will always play a crucial role in our food system but our own self-sufficiency must be paid more attention by the government. It is stagnating. We sit now at only 64% self-sufficiency, having fallen from over 75% in the mid-1980s.â
There are lots of reasons for this fall, and, granted, some of them are down to cheaper goods, such as Danish bacon, and Polish apples, being shipped in. There are arguments to suggest concentrating on British pork and apples would be a positive repositioning of resources.
But since the 1980s, the British food system has also become a whole lot more adventurous. French Camembert is basically a staple now, and slices of Iberico ham are hardly luxuries.
We should probably not regress!
The farmer and author Joe Stanley says there has to be balance: âIs buying British fundamentally better? Just because itâs grown here doesnât make it more sustainable.
âThere is a lot to be proud about when it comes to British produce. We have the highest welfare standards in the world, some of the highest quality meat. When it comes to sustainability, letâs hope people buy British, and shop local, and support our industry. British consumers have been traditionally concerned with price, which is a more American mindset than a European one. So thereâs a lot to celebrate if people are paying more attention to food.
âBut itâs also a huge shame that the buy British mindset, this Union Jack patriotism, is getting tied up with nationalism.
The petty flag use we see in our government is altering things!
âWeâre having these conversations about buying British, and at the same time we are straying into an unfortunate nationalistic territory.
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Good to hear from you Zambian & Lynny,
It is not just food. On the âBuy Britishâ Facebook group, recent requests for advice on UK-sourced homemade goods include everything from Lancashire sofa cushions to âleisure batteriesâ power sources for mobile homes
Food, though, as it so often is, has become the foremost application in a new surge towards supporting British industry.
Since Brexit, there has been a tectonic shift in consumerism as shoppers look to champion UK-made goods, aware as they are perhaps of the additional costs of trading with Europe, of the benefits of contributing to the national economy, and possibly also to supplement national pride.
Whatever the reason, this collective desire is very apparent.
Recently, there was concern in one Facebook group that Quaker Oats are apparently made in Dublin!
Soon, other members were suggesting supermarket-own varieties, namely those produced by Aldi and Lidl, which are milled here on British shores, and are apparently still âsmooth and creamyâ when stirred with water as with milk.
Another social media post celebrated a bag of granulated sugar that displayed the words âproudly grown in Britainâ on top of a Union Jack!
One man shared a picture of a chocolate bar, going so far as to explain the fact it is not only manufactured in Stoke-on-Trent, but is also the work of a British-owned company.
A double win, there, for British pride.
That said the supermarkets in Britain have long sold goods featuring Union Jack flags, they have espoused a homely agricultural ideal when it comes to beef, talking of 'Welsh lamb' and 'West Country beef', local cheeses and English wines, today they are maximising this output.
There are an increasing number of flags on packaging.
Aldi and Lidl, possibly in a move maybe to counteract impressions they are German and reliant more on imports, have been heavier still with their trumpeting, it seems.
Both have pages dedicated to British food on their websites, pledging to do more to buy from internal suppliers.
Traditionally, the paradigm of culinary culture has been firmly cast as seasonal and artisan. It is about looking to our close countryside, where fruit and vegetables grow and are packed into handsome delivery boxes, and it is about recognising the tireless endeavour of the farmers who bring us the tenderest of steaks, if not the Romanians who pick our summer strawberries, a job we only want to do on Saturday afternoons for fun.
Running alongside this now, however, is this apparent shift towards British food not just for its cultural relevance, not only as an ethical, sustainable choice, but as a distinct and robust lifestyle choice, reflecting a pro-Brexit stance.
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Other parties have gone "woke", reacted way too much to twitter etc which represents such a small part of the total vote. Labour now gaining "woke" Uni voters and high earning middle class, Tory gaining the working class. Opposition focus is poor and misguided.
Hi Mr Gnome,
Unfortunately the majority of UK's mainstream tabloid media is heavily influenced by pro Tory owners who use them for tax advantages in their business empires and to promote Tory rhetoric a in order to gain commercial advantage over the public sector ( pick up outsourced services,
and government contracts etc on the cheap) .
Why else buy a newspaper that is loss making other than to use it as means to influence the thoughts of the masses by presenting news that appeals to the very worst in people in order to manipulate the outcome for your own commercial gain and use as a tax avoidance instrument.
The Tories have never been interested in a fair voting system, only one in which they are most likely to win!
May 2021
Downing Street announces plans to change English voting system following string of Labour victories
The government is pushing ahead with changes to electoral law that could make it easier for Conservatives to win future mayoral elections.
Home secretary Priti Patel has already unveiled plans to introduce the first past the post electoral system used to elect MPs in Westminster.The government is pushing ahead with changes to electoral law that could make it easier for Conservatives to win future mayoral elections.
Home secretary Priti Patel has already unveiled plans to introduce the first past the post electoral system used to elect MPs in Westminster.
Mayors across England are elected from the existing supplementary vote system, in which the public ranks their two favourite candidates.
Prof Tony Travers, of the London School of Economics, said analysis of Thursdayâs polls suggested this change could open a potential route to victory for the Tories in cities such as London.
"Itâs likely that first past the post would make it somewhat easier for the Conservatives to win if they could come up with a really good candidate," he said.
There is also evidence that voters are confused by the use of the supplementary voting system. Some 5% of ballots cast in this year's mayor of London election were rejected because people had voted for too many candidates.
The government will have to pass fresh legislation to change the voting system, which would also affect elections for police and crime commissioners.
Labour has pledged to oppose the changes.
Indeed Mr T.
It does make me wonder why the UK persist with what surely must be a flawed electoral system and process, that serves up such duds as Boris. Not to mention the poodle Blair, and the list is long! And then they go on pensions when their deeds are done or the populace finally wakes up? One of the many wonders of the civilized world?
best
the gnome
Zambianminer Jesus Mary Joseph and the wee donkey your asking for a real lecture now. Mr Tibbles thought the results last week where a vote to remain.
Some good news for you post Brexit MrT. https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/nationalaccounts/balanceofpayments/bulletins/uktrade/march2021
Mr Gnome,
Those who voted for Boris seem to have forgotten what a waster he is, only thinks of himself!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46258584
Three water cannon bought and refurbished for more than ÂŁ320,000 while Boris Johnson was London Mayor have been sold for ÂŁ11,000.
The vehicles were bought by Mr Johnson as crowd-control weapons following the 2011 riots.
They were sold for ÂŁ11,025 to Nottinghamshire-based Reclamations (Ollerton) Ltd who will dismantle them and export the parts.
Current Mayor Sadiq Khan said "we have managed to finally get rid of them".
The vehicles were bought by Mr Johnson from Germany in 2014 and he volunteered to be blasted by one of them to reassure people of their safety.
Then-Home Secretary Theresa May banned their use in riot situations in England and Wales in 2015, and later used the purchase to ridicule Mr Johnson in the Tory leadership race after David Cameron resigned.
Water cannon have been used in Northern Ireland but have never been deployed in the rest of the UK.
Water cannon
IMAGE COPYRIGHTREUTERS
image captionLondon's three water cannon were bought and refurbished for more than ÂŁ320,000
The cannon Mr Johnson bought cost ÂŁ322,000 to purchase second-hand and then refit. Costs included ÂŁ32,004 for low emission zone compliance, ÂŁ19,035 for re-painting, ÂŁ3,109 for signage, and ÂŁ970 for the fitting of radios and CD players.
Mr Khan said: "For too long, London taxpayers have had to bear the brunt of Boris Johnson's appalling botched water cannon deal. This has been another waste of taxpayers' money by Boris Johnson."
After Mrs May banned the cannon's use, the Metropolitan Police said it was "naturally disappointed" with the decision.
It said while the weapons would rarely, "if ever", be used, they were "a sensible precaution which would allow us to deal with a number of specific public disorder situations".
"In the wake of the London riots, with a worrying rise in knife crime and with his hands tied by the political decisions in the Home Office, Boris made tackling crime his number one priority."
The sale was announced as details were revealed of 72 youth projects that will receive the latest round of grants from the Young Londoners Fund.
The schemes, which are aimed at diverting young people away from crime, will receive a share of ÂŁ13.2m.
There is nothing wrong with a good bit of civil unrest, and even a bit of blood on the streets, tallyho!
It can't be worse than the gradual death of any sensibility, and having to swoon and swelter under the "guidance" of Boris.
I am sure we could get some obliging West Africans to show you the way. Loved the work of the Burkinabe's in the 2014 coup d'Ă©tat, that got rid of the President of 27 years, the same man who reportedly had a lead in the assassination's of his best friend, Thomas Sankara (the previous President).
For an interesting insight of recent, please have a look at
https://itunes.apple.com/us/movie/the-upright-women/id1562724159?ls=1
Perhaps it might be up tot he women to organize the reset?
best
the gnome
There is nothing wrong with a good bit of civil unrest, and even a bit of blood on the streets, tallyho!
It camnt be worse than the gradual death of any sensibility, and having to swoon and swelter under the "guidance" of Boris
The Conservatives to me are just a mafia ..and with the aid of the media we have a one party state...nothing short of civil unrest or civil war will change this...and i don;t see this happening....
When US President Barack Obama infamously said Britain would be at the âback of the queueâ for any trade deal, the intervention backfired tremendously
Now that's something we can agree on....that bloke trying to thwart democracy at the request of the slime Cameron.
Whichever side of the debate you stand on i think we can agree that was appalling but then Obama is appalling and so is Cameron. These 2 obviously know nothing of ordinary folk who don;t take kindly to threats, they think the public are dumb sheep who need herding.
I take your points on Juncker Mr T and you may be right but he didnt help himself to be honest what i witnessed in the Euro Parliament.
As said always was 50/50 and i now kind of regret Brexit because with the 3 million HK passports offered we have gained nothing and lost more..
Was he such an old fool, he seems to have more integrity than Cameron or Boris and I doubt he ever lied as much as they continue to do so.
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/jean-claude-juncker-should-not-listened-david-cameron-brexit-961807
Time is said to be the greatest healer. But for Jean-Claude Juncker, the President of the European Union between 2015 and 2019, the gaping wound of Brexit five years after the referendum still seems sore.
The Brexit vote, he argues, goes against history. But not helping the healing process for the fiercely pro-European former Prime Minister of Luxembourg â his views were shaped by listening to his fatherâs stories of the destruction of the Second World War â is that it happened on his watch.
He blames his former nemesis David Cameron for the âmistakeâ of Brexit, himself for listening to Cameron, and the âmisinformationâ that he claims âbrainwashedâ the UKâs electorate.
âI should not have listened to David Cameron,â he says leaning back in his chair in his office in the commissionâs Brussels HQ.
âHe told me not to interfere in the debate in the UK, not to come to London, not to do interviews with the British press. I made a mistake because I did not defend the EUâs point of view in the UK. They asked me to shut up, so I shut up. That is something I criticise myself for. I should have spoken out rather than stay silent.â
Whether or not his intervention would have turned the 2016 vote in favour of Remain is up for debate. When US President Barack Obama infamously said Britain would be at the âback of the queueâ for any trade deal, the intervention backfired tremendously. And this was with a politician popular in Britain. Juncker â perhaps unfairly â has often been portrayed as the ultimate European bureaucrat.
e has more to say on Cameronâs failure though. Before calling the referendum the then Prime Minister renegotiated some terms of Britainâs membership arrangements. It was an intense and controversial deal to secure a special status for the UK.
âAnd yet, I saw that this agreement we negotiated with the British government played no part in the referendum campaign,â Mr Juncker, 66, said.
âNo one told the British public what we agreed on, say, the free movement of workers,â he adds, shrugging his shoulders at what he says was ultimately a pointless pact.
It could be argued, however, that Mr Cameron failed to secure all he needed to really win over the British public, with German chancellor Angela Merkel refusing to grant Britain an âemergency brakeâ to halt migration within the bloc.
Juncker was already seen as a bĂȘte noire by the Brexit campaign. He was the EUâs ultimate insider, an architect of the Euro, and â as Luxembourg Prime Minister for almost two decades â had attended more EU summits than any other leader. He was branded an arch federalist, said to be an alcoholic, and even tied to the Nazis through his father, who was forcibly conscripted into the German army following the invasion of Luxe
Where is the action by regulatots? What are the auditors up to? Truly a cess pit. Should be names shamed and heavy fines.
Exactly what is the score here ?There should be serious consequences
Yep, no doubt he found that truth at the bottom of a bottle of malt whisky. But it's still a good quote.
Anyone who drinks before noon should be treated with great suspicion