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Thank you Dr Jamain, you have every right to express your opinion, so no offence taken on my part and no apology necessary,but never the less I appreciate your gesture ,very decent of you, what a pity that some of the worlds politicians can't behave in a similar fashion!
Tibbs
MrT: I didn't mean to criticise you. Sorry if you thought did.
My original post was made over the week end,when there isn't much to discuss solely about Centamin anyway .
By all means talk about Centamin,, what have you got to tell us then?
Have you ever taken the trouble to write to investor relations , I doubt it very few people that post and comment on these types of forums ever do.
Misinformation is everywhere online, and anyone can be vulnerable to it. On social media, you may have at one point shared an article that you believed to be true at the time, but that you later discovered actually contained falsehoods or outdated information.
While both misinformation and disinformation can deceive audiences, the distinction is that disinformation is intentionally, maliciously deceptive. Both forms often involve widespread dissemination, whether or not the person sharing is aware of the inaccuracies.
It's important for everyone to know how to spot mis- and disinformation online to avoid spreading falsehoods and to be critical consumers of online news, particularly through social media.
Why not put your challenges and questions on the Europe’s new Digital Services Act to the appropriate commission or regulator, bit more difficult now though that we no longer have any representation via an MEP thanks to a flawed Brexit vote gained due to mis & disinformation !
You stay in Plato's cave if you wish, good job that Martin Horgan doesn't subscribe to that theory or he would still be debating on if, how and when to dig Sukatri out from under a decade of crap so that they can start mining a decant grade of ore again!
Mr T
I'm not sure the CEY board is the appropriate place for this debate so I'll be brief.
1) What is disinformation?
2) How do you define truth?
3) Who should make the rules? Who are the arbiters of 'truth'?
4) 'Big sanctions' are a big stick to enforce obedience to whatever is deemed to be 'true', 'factual', or whatever the self-appointed arbiters of orthodoxy want promoted.
5) Paradigms of 'truth' evolve though open debate. Sometimes the change is revolutionary (Kuhn's paradigm shifts). The plasticity of truth should lead us to openness and humility - otherwise we're merely transfixed by whatever anthropogenic delusion is the fashion.
6) We're still in Plato's cave looking at shadows.
I am also in favour the free press and social media however it seems only right that whatever is posted is based on the truth and those making the post are able to justify it with the supporting facts.
You may both be interested to note that the free press has supported the new EU proposed regulation on on social media and even the UK advertising standards authority.
Now why don't you both be honest about why you dislike this proposal so much ?
Europe’s new Digital Services Act
Here’s what the law will do when it goes into effect:
• Detoxify the algorithm ? Online platforms like Facebook will have to take responsibility for the harms they cause to our societies, for example, for the way their systems help spread toxic content across the internet;
• Open the black box ? Allow independent auditors, researchers and civil society to scrutinise platforms’ actions and uncover their wrongdoings.
• Impose big sanctions ? Platforms will face fines up to 6% of their global income (yes we're talking billions of dollars here) if they don’t comply with the rules.
• A step closer to stopping surveillance advertising ? Ban the targeting of people with ads based on their political beliefs or gender, and end the exploitation of children’s data entirely.
One of the prime outcomes of education (my humble 2 bobs worth) is to give the educated persons the power to be able to see through the mountains of misinformation or manure, and discern the truth and the relevant.
Sadly, the education system has failed many, which does lead to one of the lead assumptions in democracy, ... each person one and equal vote being flawed. So in the end and as we experience it, we have a flawed political system, which produces such natterers and nutters and similarly flawed individuals as we see around the world in democraticised nations...and we get the ludicrous shenanigans that thinly passes for "politics"...lets invade Ukraine, regime change in Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan etc etc...
Lets tune up the education system
Twitter being worth us$45b about sums it up for me ... what a lot of twats
best
the gnome
Sotolo,
Thanks for your kind remarks.
It really comes down to people using this silly term' disinformation' to try to snuff out information they cannot accept. It is the modern day equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and refusing to listen. I like being challenged by alternative viewpoints, it helps inform me.
As for PMs I still think we have the preconditions necessary for a significant bull run. I don't know how long the Fed will be able to prop up the dollar for but it will not be forever, and when they slacken off PMs will sparkle again.
86p here now, let's hope that long-term support has provided us with the bottom.
Pros and cons. If you were in Russia would you dare criticise Putin using your real name?
I agree with free speech but not in total anonymity...if you want to say a thing then you need to own it as you.
Dr Jamain, how heartening to read such a literate post, whether I agree with it or not, which is really its point. It is the dialectic of views on gold and Centamin, and the tolerance of these from most, that makes this board so useful unlike many. Will gold fall further after this brief respite, as seems most likely, or will the day finally come when Andrew MaGuire is proved right even if just by the laws of chance, and gold soars….? Will Centamin contol costs faster than gold falls and inflation rises, which seems unlikely, or will the optimists who look for a doubled share price be proved right? My only hope, against real interest rates now rising, is that sentiment is getting so bearish even here that at some point all the sellers will be out and gold turn up, but not yet imho. Thanks again Dr Jamain for your defence of a free press and the fourth estate, one of the vital pillars of liberty. We have always had ‘fake’ , and certainly highly partial and opinionated, news from the Northcliffe Press more than a century ago to the National Enquirer or the Daily Star, even the government in the war, but the more free press we have the more honest voices can shout against this unlike countries where voices are limited from Russia to China, and investors have a harder life.
Want the dollar below 103.5 that should show it was a false break out and send it to its own intermediate low and with how far it was stretched above the 200 day it's about time....if that happens gives us about 2 months of a falling dollar while it heads back to turn the 200 day downwards and then break it....anything always heads back to its 200 day eventually
A bit early to call but with a $40 swing today that might be the intermediate cycle low...just need the dollar to roll over to confirm it
You may care to call it censorship, it really isn't, users will still have the right to free speech.
Sadly there are a great many social media users who simply don't question the credibility of what they read or the motives of those that post the misinformation.
Also the social media platforms should be made more easily contactable and accountable in law!
If anyone wants to post opinions on line then they should be required to post under their own name and a verifiable email address, even on forums such as this one.
Lets see how many would suddenly disappear once they are required red to stand by their opinions and statements, how many would disappear off this forum I wonder?
Big respect to Donald Lawson for having the integrity to identify himself when making his views known!
There are some on here who claim to put hings in writing to Centamin the reality is quite different,possibly because they lack the courage and integrity to stand by their convictions !
and so it the ££
meanwhile gold is moving - UP !
Mr T,
I'm not going to get into the rights and wrongs of Brexit, Trump, Ukraine, Covid etc. There is plenty of information out there from official and unofficial sources that lead to diverse opinions - and that is how it should be.
Clearly online bullying, harassment, paedophilic content etc needs to be policed - and it is currently. Good.
However plurality of opinion and free access to a wide variety of information and sources is the lifeblood of a healthy culture. You may believe things I disagree with but I absolutely defend your right to believe them and talk about them. We can then debate and the dialectic we have will enrich us both.
This dialetical approach is how science, politics, the arts and all other forms of human enterprise remain vigorous and healthy. No science is ever 'settled' and that is true for all other areas - to say otherwise is to descend into dogma - and that is the lifeblood of authoritarianism.
I am really concerned that a narrow orthodoxy is being foisted on us all - Orwell saw it and raised the alarm, others need to see it clearly now. The powers being taken currently may be in benign hands now, but that is no guarantee for the future.
Dr Jamain,
You don't mind reading the misinformation that is posted on social media?
The safeguards you mention are clearly inadequate otherwise Donald Trump wouldn't have been able to incite civil disobedience and riot in the USA capital.
Boris Johnson & Nigel Farage wouldn't have been able to mislead and misinform the UK electorate over the issues and repercussions of Brexit as they did!
This is a great initiative, social media users in the main are blissfully ignorant of just how manipulated they are.
You may not be aware but as things stand in the UK virtually all social media posts to politicians are ignored because they are posted under aliases, or simply don't comply with parliamentary protocols.
So you see the legitimate debate in Parliament never takes place and the sender of such messages is just not replied to.
Social media giants should obligated to verify every account - and only issue accounts to real people - no anonymity!
After all if one has a strong view or opinion on something then they should have the integrity to post it under their own name!
That one step alone would ensure much less abuse and misinformation .
I absolutely agree that free speech should be protected, however what is the point of free speech for those who aren't prepared to have the courage or integrity to identify themselves? Some form of social media monitoring - as imperfect as it may be - is certainly needed and better than none !
Legislation to curb free speech online is a VERY dangerous road.
Definitions of what is 'misinformation' or 'offensive' will be open to political control.
We already have legal protections in place for grooming, harassment, hate speech etc.
This is designed to shut down legitimate debate and leave the way open for statism and propaganda. It is only good for control freaks.
Why do we need any form of legislation in this area which essentially is simply a form of censorship? Why can’t we expect people to exercise a modicum of common sense in processing what they read/see on social media instead of blindly following it? Is it that we as a society have just become mindless morons?
(You need not answer the last question I think that one is obvious)
For years, mega tech platforms like Facebook, YouTube and TikTok have been making billions while flooding the world with disinformation, hate speech and other harmful content. But after years of incredible campaigning, the European Union has just agreed on a historic law that will force Big Tech to change – and this could be the start of a global revolution to protect us all!
Europe’s new Digital Services Act wouldn’t look like it does without Avaaz. We ran massive investigations into the harms caused by social media and shared our findings everywhere. Then we drafted groundbreaking legislative proposals on how to protect our societies as well as freedom of speech, and ran a huge push to get key lawmakers on board! And it worked!
2018: A Hundred Zuckerbergs (yikes!)
It all started almost exactly 4 years ago, in 2018: disinformation was creating havoc in democracies, and hate speech was being weaponised around the world. In April that year, we launched our first global call to platforms and regulators to "Fix Fakebook" and rein in big tech.
Avvas travelled to Silicon Valley to meet with top executives from Facebook, Twitter and Google, trying to convince them to act. But we were banned from some of their offices, and had to hold meetings in the car park!
https://secure.avaaz.org/campaign/en/facebook_coronavirus_misinformation/
To Mark Zuckerberg, Internet CEOs and Government Regulators:
Enough is enough.
https://secure.avaaz.org/campaign/en/facebook_open_letter_loc_/?artqjhb&post_action=1&cid=28293&lang=en