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Mr Tibbles Move on what is the point of these lectures on this site. Find a remainer site and post morning noon and night and then come to this site when you want to discuss centamin or gold but you are neither helping yourself or us. In fact you may actually make yourself poorly. What good is it doing. Take care good luck.
Quite so, but hardly anything to be proud of when considering that it will have taken the UK back to being on the outside of a modern European society and denied our younger generations of the opportunities that offered, it is estimated that Brexit will likely cost the average UK household around an extra £1500 a year.
Also another Farage myth-…The UK will once again be an independent, democratic and sovereign nation with a British Constitution & Rule of law”
The UK is already a democratic, sovereign nation with its own (unwritten) constitution, and has its own rule of law. So it’s false to say that leaving with no deal would make us these things “once again”.
Currently EU laws take supremacy over UK law should they come into conflict, and the Court of Justice of the European Union is the highest court on matters of EU law.
EU law doesn’t cover all aspects of UK law. In areas where no EU law is applicable, the UK parliament and courts are the supreme bodies for making and judging law.
No deal Brexit would change elements of how sovereignty (the authority of the state to govern itself) and legal process is exercised in the UK. Leaving the EU with no deal would remove the jurisdiction of EU courts and laws in the UK (although we’d copy over existing EU law into UK law). That would arguably make the UK more independent and sovereign, in as much as more law-making comes directly from the UK.
However a no deal Brexit wouldn’t mean that every rule the UK follows is made in the UK. For example, we would remain members of international organisations like NATO and the WTO, and membership of these things means following collective rules or decision-making.
Dont matter we are leaving
Some points you may care to consider/research about UKIP & the Brexit referendum
£350 million a week doesn’t include the rebate
It’s been claimed that we send £350 million a week to the EU. That misses out the rebate, and it doesn’t represent the total economic costs and benefits of EU membership to the UK.
£350 million is roughly what we would pay to the EU budget without the rebate. The UK actually paid closer to £250 million a week.
The UK Statistics Authority has said the EU membership fee figure of £19 billion a year, or £350 million a week, is "not an amount of money that the UK pays to the EU each year".
Since then, the new chair of the Authority described use of the figure by the Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson, as “a clear misuse of official statistics”.
‘Democracy’ means different things to different people
Agreed Mike, it would be good for the UK to be able to move forward as well, unfortunately I see little chance of that happening!
Fisheries (0.12% of the UK economy!
Some facts on why a fishing war with the French would be very silly to say the least!
The nets of the UK and its maritime neighbours have been inextricably tangled for centuries. Cutting them apart will be calamitous for some European fleets – especially for boats from Brittany, Normandy and the Pas de Calais. It will also be disastrous for locally important and ecologically sustainable parts of the British industry.
Fisheries (0.12% of the UK economy) have been a powerful symbol for Brexiteers. They may now become one of the starkest examples of the folly of no deal.
British shellfish sales to the EU (mostly France and Spain) are worth £430m a year – more than a quarter of all UK fish exports by value. They are vital to small-scale fishermen in Scotland and the West Country. They will be devastated overnight if the UK loses paper-free access to the EU single market.
The common narrative is that Brexit offers the UK an opportunity to change its fishing policy, which currently under the EU’s Common Fisheries Policy (CFP) is fundamentally unfair, and benefits European fisherman more than our British boats, who, say some, are fundamentally exploited by the EU.
Belong did some investigating and found that truth is more nuanced, with some industry leaders against the CFP, and others who think that if we leave the EU or stay in, it will make little difference to the fortunes of British fishermen.
Dale Rodmell, Assistant Chief Executive at the National Federation of Fishermen’s Organisations (NFFO), the trade body for the UK fishing industry, told Belong in an exclusive interview that Brexit offers a unique opportunity for the UK fishing industry.
“The vote to leave… has raised expectations for the future of fisheries policy that may be hard to deliver.”
Well, there is definitely going to be a punch up on the seas with the frenchies.
...I think we will need to hire capt jack sparrow
This language needs to be toned down.....and it is now about moving forward including cey
Brexiteers are not ill informed , ignorant or racist , remoaners prefer to use such tiles in order to portray themselves as righteous and pure . I see it more as being rude and unaccepting of a democratic decision that they didn’t like . Stick to putting forward genuine reasons for staying in the EU rather than spouting unfounded attacks on people you do not know
Reckon Leeds be safe , upwards and onwards just like CEY
Unfortunately Brexiteers tend to be ill informed,intolerant,racist and bigoted which makes them aggressive in nature anyone who realises what a load of tosh Farage and Boris have peddled to the people.
A no deal Brexit will put the UK back 50 years in many respects to a time when things were pretty awful, certainly with regards to European trade and travel.
I appreciate that you are a new member to the forum so you may not realise that over the years the members have made the forum rather like the table in the corner of the pub and have discussed all manner of issues because most affect the price of gold and the share price of Centamin.
These general discussion have helped members remain strong through some very trying times including revolutions, court cases ,fuel disputes,explosive shortages,hostile takeover attempts and operational issues to name but a few.
i have been a member of the forum for many years and I will carry on as I have always done, but anyway thank you for the Seeking Alpha post, it confirms the views aleady expressed by other share holders on here.
Got to say you cooperman spot on both counts Leeds and uk only ones to obey the rules
Interesting article in telegraph about the eec COVID stimulus packages billions/trillions but outside the level playing field and quoting about Europeans fishing in uk waters for decades....but not forgetting it decimated historic uk fishing ports.
Anyway as mentioned this is a cey bb. Anyway as a Leeds fan...ho no...I hope we stay up
Bests to all
mrtibbles please leave your Remoaner nonsense at the Centamin door. There are many forums to discuss your opinions but this thread is not one of them.
Now to the good stuff. We have a good write up on Seeking Alpha today.
What I post is relevant to the original post regarding a no deal Brexit and that in turn affects the price of gold and obviously the price of Centamin.
If you or any of the others are offended by the truth or take offence at my posts then you all have the choices of not reading or commenting on my posts, reporting me to a moderator, doing some independent research on the issues or looking for an alternative forum, although most are quite boring when compared to this one
Personally I see no reason to change the way I have behaved on here for many years now.
Leeds were robbed , referee was bent but no point going on about it . A lot like brexit ,the vote was 2016 , 52 v 48 , let’s see what happens then if necessary rejoin in 40 years . They’ll take Us back as we are only ones who obey the rules
Must say I agree with Gino's comments. This is a CEY chat - and I thought their mine was in Egypt not Brexit-land.
If you want to talk politics can you not do that in a general chat area ? (so those that want to debate politics can do it over there.)
Tibbs' knowledge on CEY much appreciated in here though.
Cheers - CSDI
There is always three side’s to the brexit coin
Listened to James O’Brien LBC this morning.... an old boy calling him a snake in the grass had me in stitches regards brexit
Anyways we all need some festive cheer and hopefully 2021 can be more positive for all....including our beloved cey
I do wish you would refrain from regularly spouting your political bile over this site and stick to the subject (CEY) in hand. Most of your posts regarding CEY are quite informative but the other, I'm afraid, are both tiresome and unnecessary.
Just my opinion of course.
I agree Lynny,
Unfortunately so many of the Brexiteers believe the Farage rhetoric , the good bloke who drinks beer and doesn't t believe in the EU but is quite happy to take an MEP's seat with the salary and all the benefits!
Boris just typify s everything bad about the Tory party, they claim to be giving people a chance to take back control, utter tosh!
MrTibbles we are doomed doomed I tell you doomed. Is that you Pike. No it's me Mr Mannering they don't it up em.
This site is run on a charitable basis and on the basis that it is politically neutral, you may find some answers to any questions you may have https://fullfact.org/europe/brexit-negotiations/
Other sources which you can compare
the lie: As the Remain campaign warned of all the hardship we'd be facing, leave said we'd be OK, that we shouldn't listen to experts.
the truth: THEY KNEW! They knew all the **** we were going to have to face, but the few who told us to leave have enough money in the bank, enough soulless political ambition, enough disdain for you and me, they played and betrayed all of us in a heartbeat... See below as the truth is coming out and leave claims are getting debunked one after the other!
Boris lied when he was a journalist, when he was London mayor, when he was running for PM and he certainly lied about the implications of Brexit, so did Gove, Jacob Rees Mogg, Ian Duncan Smith, John Redwood, the list goes on, certainly Farage has always lied, they have all misinformed even constructed completely fictitious claims and scenarios about the UK's relationship with Europe, but they have all been funded by pro Brexiteer capitalist's and hedge Fund's who despise that the EU may curtail some of their shady dealings in the future, of course this odious bunch of politicians have also gained great wealth by taking advantage of their business relationships with some pretty dubious individuals and businesses
Jacob Rees Moggs. personal wealth increased by over £60 million since 2016 through his business relationships, these type of individuals should never be elected to parliment!
It’s hardly controversial to short the pound, but Crispin Odey (or Odious and his ilk )also have their eyes on a low-tax, low-regulation, no-deal Brexit paradise.
The Tories have been privatising the NHS by the back door for decades and could,nt cope with routine procedures let alone a pandemic, hence the lock downs, also a great way to control the masses and divert attention from failed policies and wasted public money whilst providing an excuse to increase taxes on the ordinary people.
Don’t agree- in the webcast the CEO said they will
be announced once negotiations complete, am looking forward to favourable details.
Just a theory: -In terms of news-management, it's possible that new licence/permits news will be delayed and announced at the same time as Q4 production news. - The idea being that good news on permits will help mitigate what is expected to be bad news on production figures. - Might be worth keeping a check on announcements made by other permit winners for a clue.
Certainly agree with that Mark!
Sadly it's because so many of the general public couldn't be bothered to show any real interest and chose instead to accept the Farage & Boris flawed propaganda why the UK is about to drop out of its largest trading market and most likely enter another recession.
Farage, Boris, Jacob Rees Mogg have all been working to the agenda of very rich paymasters, Rees Mogg has amassed an additional £50 million since 2016 through his contacts with the pro Brexiteers .
Farage has become very rich by telling lies to the masses who he really doesn't care a jot about!
The EU wanted to clip the wings of the Hedge Funds and make them pay a transaction tax towards public funds to provide services to the people, this is one of the reasons they employed the political lobbyists and the spivsters in our government.
By comparison Ken Clark is a man of integrity and as an ex cabinet member is very knowledgeable and well informed on past and present policies and agreements, qualities that are very apparently absent the present shower that inhabit the cabinet .
Politics may be decisive, like it or not they is very relevant regarding the financial markets, Boris Johnson determination not reach a sensible or reasonable agreement with the EU will have far reaching and very detrimental affects on the UK and certainly affect the price of commodities and currencies.
Boris may act the clown, but clown's can be very evil!
Some may choose to wear their union jack spectacles, but like or not we have all been shafted by our present Tory government .