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That the type of belief and commitment that that share holders want to see and it also motivates the workforce.
All Pardey did was give the share holders baloney and take his free shares!
Mr T
Skin in the game...their skin in the game....defintely one to watch!!! Havent been prolific in the last few years.
Talking of skin in the game....Great to see Australia's most successful explorerer (one who has enprmous skin in the game, and what a game he has played over the decades) involved in another greenfields discovery! Has is usual signature 30% holding in the company AND free carried to BFS 30% interest in the Project!. Ni-Cu project in the formerly much maligned Frazer Albany orogenic belt.
https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20191119/pdf/44bpsgpfw0mtdx.pdf
can't keep a good man down!
best
the gnome
Our price forecast for 2020 has been revised down to an average of $1370?
Major government bond prices meantime slipped, edging longer-term interest rates higher and making 10-year German Bund yields less negative at -0.35% per annum.
"Looking forward," says a note from analyst Bernard Dahdah at French bullion bank Natixis, "the risk for growth in the US is on the upside" after this week's GDP and durable goods data both beat Wall Street expectations.
Because the 22% jump in gold prices in summer 2019 "was mainly driven" by Fed rate cuts, Dahdah goes on – and with that rate-cutting cycle "now concluded" – "our price forecast for 2020 has been revised down to an average of $1370.
"That said, we expect limited downside risk due to the substantial $12.5 trillion worth of negative yielding debt, which will put a floor under gold."
https://www.bullionvault.com/gold-news/gold-price-112920192
Hi Gnome,
Yes very thought provoking, I wonder if any of these directors that want investors to back their plans will be putting some of their own skin in the game?
Well lots of pies int he sky, and "believe me" statements....obviously betting ont he gold price sustaining its price or increasing. A few leaps of faith and some ingenious waffle. But the level of activity in the gold space is now very interesting. My bet is a few of the investors in these aquisitive investors are going to take a hair cut. .....
Hope CEY sticks to its knitting, and gets a great CEO
best
the gnome
Australia's biggest gold miner is focused on the exciting copper and gold resource that lies beneath Red Chris, not the struggling open-pit mine that operates at the surface.
With their experience in block caving – a highly efficient form of underground mining that utilises gravity (when all goes well!!!! – Newcrest has backed itself to turn Red Chris into a replica of its golden goose, the Cadia mine in New South Wales.
Red Chris has now emerged as the biggest punt on M&A that Newcrest Mining has made while under the reforming stewardship of chief executive Sandeep Biswas.
Cadia was famously a marginal operation (defintely lowest of grades) until block caving turned it into Australia's most lucrative gold mine.Newcrest is excited by the fact the deep resource at Red Chris has been penetrated by less than 90 exploration holes; that means there could be exceptional treasures waiting to be discovered....or nothing there>?
But it could also mean Newcrest has bought something it doesn't fully understand. Most likely...
The presence of mercury in the Red Chris open pit has some observers worried, but Newcrest boss Sandeep Biswas is confident the mercury will be less abundant in the deeper resources at Red Chris.
The three-year itches..?Just as Evolution warned investors that Red Lake was unlikely to look good for at least three years, Saracen Mineral Holdings boss Raleigh Finlayson was last week urging investors to focus on what Kalgoorlie's Superpit mine would look like in mid-2023, when work to remediate a wall slide was completed.
Those remediation works are hurting mining efficiency, gold grades, production rates and unit costs, meaning Saracen investors will need to wait a while before the $1.1 billion acquisition of Barrick's 50 per cent stake in the mine starts to deliver.
There are similarities in the way Klein and Finlayson spoke of exploration potential at their new assets. Both expressed high confidence that their teams would find more gold in the ground and extend the lives of old mines. Really?
St Barbara boss Bob Vassie also asked investors to focus on future potential rather than existing realities when announcing the $768 million acquisition of Canada's Atlantic Gold in May. A dream?
Atlantic's Touquoy mine in Nova Scotia will produce about 100,000 ounces in fiscal 2020 at less than $US700 per ounce.
That's pretty good, and unlike Red Chris and Red Lake, the Atlantic acquisition bolsters St Barbara's earnings immediately.
But to justify the price paid by St Barbara, Vassie has talked up a plan to double production by 2023 by spending the best part of $200 million on securing government approvals and building new pits in Nova Scotia.
Neither of those tasks is without risk, and Credit Suisse believes St Barbara will also need exploration success to justify the price paid.
So.......
It's the year for risky acquisitions in Australia's gold sector, and not just because everyone is buying at historically high gold prices.
The common thread between the four biggest gold deals on the ASX this year is the acquirers' belief they can turn underperforming assets into something much better in a few years. Havent we
Evolution Mining's $US375 million ($555 million) acquisition of Newmont's Red Lake asset is just the latest example of an Australian gold miner announcing a deal that asks investors to show patience, belief in exploration potential and a willingness to spend significant sums on capital improvements before the new asset looks attractive. The company has Evolution warned investors that its Red Lake acquisition is unlikely to look good for at least three years.
Red Lake and the Red Chris mine that Newcrest acquired in March are aptly named; both are in the red at today's gold price of $US1452 per ounce.
Evolution executive chairman Jake Klein says Red Lake will produce gold at a cost of about $US1600 per ounce in 2019 but adds that this year's elevated costs are "an outlier, an anomaly" caused by safety issues and a general lack of love from Newmont. The fix won't be quick. Evolution expects Red Lake will be ''cash negative or cash neutral'' for three years, before Klein's turnaround plan starts to bear fruit. Hmmm
That plan will require Evolution to spend $US100 million on improving the fleet, mining and processing assets, plus a further $US50 million on exploration.
After those three years of work, Klein hopes the mine will be able to produce at least 200,000 ounces per year at an all-in sustaining cost of less than $US1000 per ounce.
''We had a long debate internally as to where we should set the expectation [for Red Lake's production rates after the turnaround] – we decided to go on a conservative basis on what we believed was very achievable,'' Klein says.
"But our aspiration is materially higher than that.
"We do believe that getting it back to historic levels of production [above 250,000 ounces per year] is something that we would aspire to do."
The Cadia mine dumped a truckload of earnings into the hands of Newcrest shareholders over the past year.
Tuesday's deal stipulates that Evolution will pay Newmont an extra $US100 million if it has exploration success at Red Lake, and Klein points to that kicker as a sign the vendor knows there is plenty of life left in the 70-year-old mine....really.....
''It was very important to them [Newmont] to share in the upside because they have a strong view of the geological 'prospectivity' of the area,'' he says. I bet !!!!!
If Red Lake is an ugly duckling with potential to become a beautiful swan, Newcrest's Red Chris is currently something far more grotesque from the darkest depths of the duck pond.
Newcrest paid $US806.5 million for 70 per cent of a mine that !!!!! well and more to come
It would be fantastic if POG tripled, problem is the Yank manipulators will most probably make sure it doesn't!
European stock markets traded lower during premarket as worries arose on the future of the trade deal between Washington and Beijing after United States President Donald Trump signed a bill supporting the anti-government protests in Hong Kong. Meanwhile, in business, Groupe PSA announced it was planning to sell its stake in its joint venture with Chongqing Changan Automotive.
The FTSE 100 was down 0.35% at 7:41 am CET, while the DAX and the CAC 40 surrendered 0.31%.
The euro and the pound were both flat against the dollar at 7:43 am CET, to sell for $1.10096 and $1.29129 respectively.
Breaking the News / MD
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2019-11-27/huge-bets-that-gold-could-triple-to-4-000-trade-in-new-york ,,, huge bets Gold can triple, it will do if it just goes $2000, POG will go up above 100p
European stock market indexes were down on Thursday as investors focused on rising tensions between the United States and China after Beijing slammed the US for adopting a bill backing protesters in Hong Kong. Meanwhile, a poll released late on Wednesday showed that United Kingdom Prime Minister Boris Johnson is likely to win a majority in the December 12 general election.
US markets will be closed on Thursday for Thanksgiving.
The DAX lost 0.23% at 7:29 am CET. The CAC 40 in France was down 0.25% at 7:24 am CET and London's FTSE 100 fell 0.48% at 7:30 am CET.
The euro gained 0.06% against the dollar at 7:31 am CET to go for 1.10081.
Breaking the News / VP
The Tories have been selling off what belongs to the people since the 1980's, under that old crone Thatcher councils were compelled to sell social housing stock at a 40% discount to tenants many of whom went onto sell it a huge profits a few years later whilst the councils were prohibited from spending the revenue raised from the sale of the council houses.
The social housing problem got worse and many of the private sector developers and landlords took advantage by upping the rents for the needy because their overpriced rents were being paid by social services funded by the tax payer.
Thatcher sold of the publicly owned utilities gas,water, electricity, National Grid, Post Office counters,royal Mail and public transport (municipal bus companies.
Under Thatcher schools were denied proper funding, NHS hospitals fell into disrepair and public sector services were systematically dismantled.
Thatcher sold off our North Sea gas on the cheap to hide the failings of her misguided policies and employees rights,protection and job security were dramatically reduced .
I don't particularly like Corbyn, but then I like Boris and the Tories, Farage and the Brexit party a lot less.
The Tories have always lied to and cheated the people, but they are much better at deceiving the people than the Labour party and off course so much of the media is Tory influenced or owned.
I don't trust any of the politicians, but I trust Boris and today's Tory party party even less!
As to the Brexit party well what are their policies apart from leaving the EU ,then what, do a trade deal with the lunatic in the White House just before he gets carted off to the padded cell?
Are the Tories fit to run the economy, absolutely no more fit then any of the others, they have all lost their credibility, the fiscal and monetary syastem is broken,the environment is ruined, the electoral system is unfit for purpose and our NHS and other public services have been so starved of genuine real investment for over decade it will take decades of increased real investment and a complete change of attitude for them to recover,if they ever do!
Brexit or not, I doubt the next government will have a workable majority and any coalition won't last for very long.
The UK will more than likely disintegrate and after the break up the resulting governments will disagree with one another and shamble along from one crisis to the next whilst the economy and the peoples services and futures go down the lavatory pan!
Good to see more countries doing this.
Imagine the US or China storing their physical gold abroad — it's just not safe unless it's on a country's sovereign soils. (Russian annexation notwithstanding!)
Labours rises in the UK Election polls and starts handing out 100's of pages of documents to support what they call is the sale of the NHS. I can see Silver and Gold holding out at this rate. The US V China trade deal looks like it is drifting too. Hopefully we can continue to hold out precious metals prices and they could even rise. Although tomorrow will be interesting with China due to release economy production figs.
Still waiting for my £1 entry,
Price is holding up well considering the drop in gold, I still think we will see $1380 - $1420 before the end of the year.
Think I will move my order to £1.05 though, fade in from there...
https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/poland-repatriates-100-tons-gold-153021874.html
Poland brought about 100 tons of gold home from the Bank of England in a bid to demonstrate the strength of nation’s $586 billion economy, central bank Governor Adam Glapinski said.
The institution bought about 126 tons in 2018 and 2019 to increase its gold reserves to 228.6 tons. As a result, the country has become the 22nd-biggest bullion holder in the world and has the biggest reserves of the metal in the European Union’s east, the central bank said.
Glapinski said the central bank will keep bringing the precious metal home if the “reserve situation is favorable.”
“The gold symbolizes the strength of the country,” Glapinski told reporters on Monday. Poland could generate “multi-billion” profits if it sold its holdings but has no plans to do so, he said.
Central banks, including those of Hungary and Serbia, loaded up on gold in the first half of 2019, helping push total bullion demand to a three-year high, according to the World Gold Council. Central banks around the world have been adding to reserves as economic growth slows, trade and geopolitical tensions rise, and authorities seek to diversify away from the dollar.
Poland had $121.9 billion in official reserves, including gold, as of Oct. 31.
All. Is there any insight to the production for this quarter?
Regards
European stocks increased their gains in premarket trade on Wednesday ahead of the publication of the latest import price index report from Germany. Additionally, focus remained on the United Kingdom ahead of the country's general election on December 12 after the European Union's head Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier promised he would reach a trade deal with the UK by late 2020.
The DAX rose 0.21% at 7:27 am CET while the FTSE 100 increased 0.22% at the same time. The CAC 40 gained 0.20% at 7:24 am CET.
The euro lost 0.14% against the dollar, trading for 1.00094 at 7:29 am CET.
Breaking the News / VP
My Thoughts: Should Chinese state owned enterprises really be allowed to operate globally as if they were a traditional corporation? Does this not raise questions of unfair trade practices, market skewing subsidies, etc? Plus, when they can no longer pay their debts is it fair for China to look the other way and allow bonds to go unpaid? Total BS if you ask me...
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Tianjin-based Tewoo Group Co. is owned by the local government and operates in a number of industries including infrastructure, logistics, mining, autos and ports, according to its website. It also has footprints in countries including the U.S., Germany, Japan and Singapore.
The trader ranked 132 in 2018’s Fortune Global 500 list, higher than many other conglomerates including service carrier China Telecommunications Corp. and financial titan Citic Group Corp. It had an annual revenue of $66.6 billion, profits of about $122 million, assets worth $38.3 billion, and more than 17,000 employees as of 2017, according to Fortune’s website.
Tewoo Group’s financial difficulties came to the fore in April when it sought debt extension from its lenders and sold copper below market rates amid a cash crunch. That month, Fitch Ratings slashed the company’s credit score by six notches in one go to B- to reflect its weak liquidity and higher-than-expected leverage....
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-26/china-faces-biggest-state-firm-offshore-debt-failure-in-20-years
Goldman Sachs is maintaining its bullish outlook on gold, looking for prices to push to $1,600 an ounce next year, but its big trade for 2020 is oil.
In a report published Sunday, the investment bank said that it continues to like the precious metal as investors look for alternative investment assets.
“Investment deficit creates excess savings, supporting gold. In theory, savings should equal investment, but due to this decline in capex and a rise in precautionary cash balances, a savings surplus is beginning to develop that is supporting gold prices,” the analysts noted in their outlook report.
Gold steady and may stabilise around $1550, undervalued POG has got to re rate
Equities on major European stock markets were in the green in premarket trade on Tuesday after the Ministry of Commerce in Beijing revealed that Chinese Vice Premier Liu He had a phone conversation with United States Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer about "core issues of common concern" and found consensus on sorting out the key issues in the negotiations. European investors will also focus on the report on consumer confidence by GfK, scheduled to be released before the open.
The DAX gained 0.13% at 7:21 am CET. London's FTSE 100 increased by 0.23% at 7:22 am CET, while the CAC 40 rose 0.11% at 7:04 am CET.
The euro was flat compared to the dollar at 7:24 am CET, trading at 1.10140. The British pound lost 0.07% against the American currency, going for 1.28943 at the same time.
Breaking the News / MS
Gold is looking more and more attractive! Surprised?
.... rather worrying that some investors and central bankers are talking up gold.
The Dutch Central Bank recently argued that if there were to be a major monetary reset, “gold stock can serve as a basis” to rebuild the global monetary system. “Gold bolsters confidence in the stability of the central bank’s balance sheet and creates a sense of security.”..as it has done for centuries!
Investor Ray Dalio recently spooked attendees at the Institute for International Finance conference when he mentioned the possibility of a flight to gold because of his concerns about America’s fiscal position. Dalio warned that the American entitlement crisis meant the Federal Reserve would have to continue to inflate its own balance sheet indefinitely.
That is not a new point. Since at least 2016, financial titans including JPMorgan chief Jamie Dimon and hedge fund manager Stanley Druckenmiller have pointed out that unfunded pension and healthcare entitlements are a looming iceberg for the US economy, and if anyone has experiecned the US healthcare (or as they say HealthScare), this is very scarey.
Indeed, one theory about the recent crisis in the “repo” overnight lending market is that it was caused by the federal deficit and the increasing unwillingness of investors outside the US to fund it. you would have to ask why they should they bother, many of them having been bit (or mauled) before.
Dalio went further, concluding that the American entitlement crisis meant the US Federal Reserve would have to continue to inflate its own balance sheet indefinitely, and keep rates low (or even negative) well into the future so the US could keep paying its bills. They snuck through the last funding chrisis yet again last week (now it doesn't make the news as it happens so often)
That would depreciate the US dollar... never ends well. Prior experiments with rapidly falling currencies include late-third century Rome, Germany’s interwar Weimar Republic and Zimbabwe. At some point (now ?!!), Dalio argued, nobody would want to own US debt or the dollar, and investors would look to other assets for safety. “The question is, what else?” he asked. “That’s the environment I think that we’ll be in. And there’s a saying that gold is the only asset you can have that’s not somebody else’s liability.”
There is logic in believing that US blue-chips and bonds are no longer a safe haven while also believing that prices should stay high for sometime in the future.
Luke Gromen calculates that US annual entitlement payments (Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, plus defence spending plus interest on the federal debt) adds up to 112 per cent of US federal tax receipts. And tax is coming down to stimulate the economy so says and does Donald T?The US has become “utterly dependent on asset price inflation for tax receipts”, and we know what happens next...
Mick McMullen, (formerly of Stillwater) President, Chief Executive Officer and Director of Detour is now looking for a new job. Maybe he'll apply to the Centamin board.
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/video/the-upside-potential-for-soybean-on-u-s-china-trade-deal~1837992
Some analysts are questioning the move saying Kirkland Lake's recent metrics were as good as it gets and so they made a hasty purchase while their share price was still richly valued. Only time will tell...
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Merger and acquisition activity remains alive and well in the gold sector after Kirkland Lake Gold (NYSE: KL, TSX: KL) announced its plans to acquire Detour Gold (TSX: DGC) in an all shares deal.
According to the Kirkland Lake, the latest mining deal is valued at C$4.9 billion. The ************** represents a 29% premium for Detour Gold shareholders,
https://www.kitco.com/news/2019-11-25/Kirkland-Lake-to-buy-Detour-Gold-in-C-4-9-million-deal.html