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What if there's no change in the SP?
Some funny posts here- tomorrow there will 2 types of posters following the quarterly & half year RNS, and this is what they will saying:
1) If the SP goes down:
" It was blindingly obvious to anyone with half a brain that Horgan and Co are constantly over promise and under deliver, so why would things be different this time? Inflation is high so it was obvious costs would be too, and the high level of legacy waste disposal won't be ending soo as they don't mention it (obvious!). People who think this stock is undervalued are idiots who are clueless about CEY and what it means to understand mining and share prices"
2)If the SP rises:
" It was blindingly obvious to anyone with half a brain that Horgan and Co are turning the company around, the last few RNS have constantly met production targets and they suffered high AISC like most due to inflation along with their legacy waste disposal which will soon be over, as will high inflation, as their main cost is energy and this has already deflated(any fool could have seen that). This stock obviously undervalued are idiots who are clueless about CEY and what it means to understand mining and share prices"
This is about the size of it.... only you can decide by selling or holding before tomorrow. GLA with whatever you decide...
Wise words indeed Market, I suppose like so many other private investors I admit it's shard to admit to being taken fir a sap, conned and that the Centamin BOD had our trousers down and shafted us with yet another Desert pyramid scheme!
Nobody believes in anything the company says any more because they have lied and cheated share holders so many times in the past, but then this is the case with so many of these mining companies, the investors take all the risks and pay the price whilst the directors fill their boots with swag!
I cant be bothered to listen to tomorrows broadcast, likely to be yet more bullsh*t and delays, so anything at all positive would certainly be an unexpected bonus!
Another day down, yet another kick in the crotch for long term share holders!
European stock exchanges were mostly lower ahead of the trading session on Tuesday after a string of preliminary business activity reports showed a further slowdown in July. In business news, Thales today announced it will acquire Imperva from Thoma Bravo in a $3.6 billion deal and Unilever's latest quarterly report is due shortly.
The DAX decreased by 0.14%, London's FTSE 100 lost 0.06%, the CAC 40 was flat and the EURO STOXX 50 declined 0.06% at 7:49 am CET.
The euro was 0.07% higher compared to the dollar, going for 1.10734 and the British pound was nearly unchanged at $1.28385 at 7:58 am CET.
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I seriosly question the Knowledge on this board -- still beleiving or are you realy. Past history has red flags all over it ----a good divi to keep you interseted back in 2012 the message was we are going to expand the operation, --Never happened then the crimal act on production figures the golden flip flops was in sight but not for us shareholders over £2 a share quicky evapored and the criminals done a runner still in my rocking chair and having a few drans but not from centamin. Good luck you need it
Is this the site?
https://conferencecalltranscripts.com/get_notified/
https://rb.gy/dnvdu
I read, but do not post comments, on stocktwits, which is another US stock chat board.
Like everywhere, a real mixed bag! More spicy language too quite often :)
Hi Rebess,
If Martin Horgan seriously has faith in his present strategy then surely it would make sense for him o retain his shares?
However having been led up the garden path and given as much baloney we we have over the years i won[t be surprised if we are deeply disappointed yet again!
It would be nice to have my expectation of yet more disappointment unrealised this time, but I expect that won't be the case!
On balance I would have thought the news Weds is likely to be positive from cey- Horgan has been very visible lately- but no one knows. Fed this week too- so could be very good or very bad week- no one knows for sure
We might find out this week why Horgan sold his shares. - I hope not.
Thanks everyone for your interaction this morning.
In the past I owned shares that were traded in the US and the chat that was the equivalent of LSE was called Investor Village. On the forum you could delete, edit etc. You could even see who had liked your posts. I am very respectful of everyone on this message board and I think like everyone am a little war, weary having failed to cash up back in January when the pps reached its highest of 1.27. Perhaps something unexpected will happen and our long suffering will be rewarded.
Best to you all.
Britain is facing a prolonged economic slump caused by higher interest rates, economists have warned, with the battle against inflation set to weigh on growth for years to come.
EY Item Club, the only private sector forecaster to use the same model as the Treasury, has slashed its forecast for growth in 2024 and 2025 as it said rates were now on track to be higher for longer.
In its latest quarterly update, the group said the economy is set to grow by 0.8pc next year, less than half its previous prediction of 1.9pc.
https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/britain-faces-years-stagnation-because-050000244.html
Hi Razor's,
Don't forget the dividend has been halved, yet the directors still received their bonus shares, for what clearing up the creation of mess they condoned! , Martin Horgan excluded of course.
Hi Razors,
I think the majority of shareholders realise that waste is created with any type of mining and as you refer to in your post the piles of it must be pretty obvious to all who visit the mine, which is why I Asked Andrew Pardey via telephone the 2018 telephone aware of the warnings issued in 2015 by Kees Dekker regrading the failure to manage the open pit properly due to the ongoing and prolonged high grading.
Andrew Pardey denied any knowledge of Kees Dekker's intimal 2015 article & the 2018 article which was strange because in 2015 he claimed to the editor of "Seeking Alpha" that Kees has based his findings on flawed data and wanted the article pulled, subsequently Kees Dekker offered to rewrite the article if Pardey cared to supply the correct data, Pardey then failed to supply the supposed correct data and all dialogue between all parties ceased and the article was published whilst Andrew Pardey and his Sukari team ,one must assume due to greed, complacency , ignorance with the condolence of the Jersey BOD including you will note Ross Jerrard carried on high grading in until the narrowly avoided catastrophe of a pitfall collapse.
https://rb.gy/ot14a
https://shorturl.at/kqtv4
As of note is that from 2015 there where several visits of corporate analysts to Sukari and not one of them mentioned any pile of uncleared waste and in fact the BOD claimed after Pardey was ejected that they "Where simply unaware there was no waste clearance!"
I have a dossier of my written and mostly ignored requests for information as to just what the situation was to Centamin Investor Relations, to be fair over the years "Buchanan"tried to be helpful with the information they had available and were far more helpful than Andrew Pardey or his team who practised a wall of silence with regard to my enquires , although obviously even "Buchanan had to operate within the perimeters and protocols of client who was keen to keep the pyramid scheme going until the inevitable crack forced the disclosure of the truth!
So after the claimed "Reset"why aren't we being given some regular updates now on the progress of the Sukari waste clearance now, after all this is the biggest parasite of AISC and a very substantial brick holding on the share price tail, not forgetting the loss of market trust that is!
I agree Paul, a healthy dividend keeps shareholders happy, me included.
For the near term I still have faith in the team, Horgan and Jerrard.
Thanks Razor. I know that waste removal will be ongoing or we will have the same problems again. I meant to say the backlog --------i.e. So they will only be clearing what they are mining and not a bl--dy great pile (4 or more years worth?) that they are clearing now.
Obviously if there i no backlog to shift, they wont need as much machinery or manpower to keep on top of things.
I'm still hoping that the gold price being on average $80 above what they factored in, helps profits and a small increase in dividend would be nice. The dividend isn't very good at the moment. If they had the cash in the bank, they could get a better rate of interest than the dividend and pay the divi out of that interest and be in front.
Hello Paul, the waste removal will never end, it’s a natural occurrence in the process of mining.
I wonder prior to Martin Horgan turning up was the waste not being removed from Sukria at all.
Surely it must have been like dumping the garbage on the front lawn. It must’ve been visible. The $300m in cash was a false entity as it was achieved by not employing a waste removal contractor or removing and meeting the cost for doing so ourselves.
The mind boggles. Someone got away with total incompetence and stupidity.
I was watching a documentary about a U.K. photographer who visited Johannesburg in Africa. The program mentioned that to Johannesburg was gold and diamond mining based, that mining was the reason the town came to be. It said that the waste from the gold mining was being dumped outside of the town, but as the waste mountain and the town grew, both came into one another. This is still a problem in Johannesburg today. The technology that they had for extracting the gold years ago wasn’t as advanced as it is today. The original extraction got 90+% so there’s a successful industry re extracting the old waste for the missed percentage.
As far as any rerate that the share price achieves this week it won’t be of any significance. I believe the real increase in value will come when production gets above 500oz which won’t happen until 2024.
Razor, you are right, the truth, especially in these times, is horribly tiresome, from how the NHS is failing, to greater inequality, poor productivity and falling standards of living, to Centamin’s fallen profits. However if costs can be cut at all despite inflation our shares would rise, or if gold rose $300 we would get that 40% rise you think we deserve, or a combination of both.. Curing NHS, inequality, productivity etc might be more challenging and will continue making most of us rather tired of it all. Thank you for the good cheer and thoughtful words as always
10% and some good news would be good.
A bit of cheer after the bad weather and the cricket.
I don't want a return to all the BS and over promising, but to get things moving a bit I think we need good news in this update or the nest one.
An estimated end date to the waste clearance and news of decent cost saving with the light bodied trucks and the solar-----and much lower AISC would be really good.
Lets be a bit more positive this week. When do you think they will connect to the grid and how much will that save?
Oh Sotolo you’re so tiresome.
Razor I would love a 40% higher share price but why do you think we deserve one? Our historic PE has been around 12 or 13. Our valuation is £1.085m. Profit should be around £85m I reckon, at current cost and prices, so PE of 13 which seems spot on the norm?
I think we deserve the share price to rise this week by 40%
I think we’ll be lucky if we get a raise of 10.
Major stock indexes in Europe traded lower in the premarket on Monday as earnings and data kept arriving. Philips' second-quarter sales and Ryanair's first-quarter revenue registered growth. On the data front, investors will be focusing on composite PMI coming from the Eurozone, Germany and the United Kingdom.
The DAX fell 0.23% at 7:32 am CET, while the Euro Stoxx 50 lost 0.28% and the FTSE 100 declined 0.17% at the same time. The CAC 40 decreased 0.20% simultaneously.
The euro was flat against the dollar at 7:37 am CET, going for 1.11196. Meanwhile, the pound was up 0.11% against the greenback, selling at 1.28691.
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Happy Monday y’al
Yes, I too am very sad at the passing of Tony Bennett -
listened to his music all day yesterday,
great entertainer - yet
I guess I didn't hit the bottle as hard as some -
PS
Goldguy , are you seriously comparing armed militias, with sometime mass murder of the local villagers , rape & pillaging to some sort of freedom fight ? Sorry, maybe I missed the preamble ?
Ladies and gentlemen
I have been asked for a long while, to write about my travels and "adventures" in Africa, and more loosely in the Exploration and Mining Industry. A few of you would no doubt know that I have been there !!!
I have always politely refused, saying I have not got time (of course there are other issues!!!). But it looks like I might have time and this is now, "on the agenda"
Ladies and Gentlemen, Indulgence please,
I recall my constant shocks on the journey into Africa and indeed into West Africa. How people who are so poor, yet seem be so happy...its not meant to work like that, and of course it does not really..but then again it does.
How when confronted by me, does a young man (robber, thug, terrorist, speak to a journalist) tell the story that he feels he has been born in a prison, has committed no crime, can see out the windows (into our magnificent world) but there is no door to get out and he lives in poverty. He cannot marry the love of his life as he has not money and no future. He picks up a gun. Asks me,would I do differently. I say no.
Remembering, change when it is too fast for people to understand, is counter productive and can be very destructive and deadly. There is a lovely word called onboarding!
Present democracy has it that politicians need no qualification's so what does one expect and what does one get. And of course Democracy is what we want, or is it, What is it? A t-shirt?
I ask, gently, what is the future if West Africa, Is there hope or despair?
If interested let me know. I am sure some of you have direct experiences. Some have other views
Openings up to you ....
The Gold Gnome