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Don't even have the bottle to tell the truth about your footballing allegiances Bobby boy. Denying your love for Triggers Broom FC, how would your fellow Sevcovians feel about your denial? Good luck with your investment in the Kinning Park Stealers, you'll need it wee man.
thanks to all who helped boost the price as explained in my early discussions only in for profit. as a East Stirlingshire supporter i enjoy real football with no hastle. and the nice holiday in the sun i enjoyed with the profits on this share good luck to all
If you don't undertand the basic business model here then you really should consider pulling out of stocks altogether. You've already made a fool of yourself on this board and continue to contradict yourself on others. Enjoy the 4th tier and your new kit deal with Macron.... LOL!!!!!
desparate celtic supporters trying to clear clubs debt are intent on one of the best players at the club being sold . instead of supporting the club by buying season tickets and attending games . relying on selling players to please the stock market does not cut it .
Hi Firstimer if you can read . it is clear in the company accounts £7.2 million in the red no responce from the club on that one to deny and why the sudden interest in this debt ridden club by people who do not trade in its shares or comment on the forum until i did in january note the number of posts since then september 12th until january zero posts shows the real interest dont you think d perhaps not
The club is still valued below the (new)rangers and again looking at the basic maths of potential annual profit, this is clearly supported. Looking at turnover, and smoothing out good years (2012/2013) with another year where there might not be CL footbal and no sale of a high value player, then the accepted multiplier of 1-2 would indicate that there is alot more to go. the spike in the last month and especially in the last 2 days, still doesnt value the club to its full value based on fundamentals.
Great piece of business...were it true.....but it ain't.
Breaking News Hooper is on his way!
Anybody heard from Bobsbargains? Someone should let him know that his concerns about that £7.2m of debt appear to have been misplaced ;)
Why the big rise today , did they sell someone , I have been watching this share price for 1 month now and keep hesitating to buy , if I had I would have been handsomely up
I guess the rise and rise of the Celtic share price is partly down to the new visibility amongst investors but also the track record of delivering strong financial performance. A new improved sponsorship deal in the current climate, an improving squad (both in quality and value), a strong position in the top division in Scotland and the strong likelihood of Champions League football next season are all reasons to think Celtic's share price should be higher than comparable Scottish team(s) - with the caveat that profits will probably be retained by the company, so investors (rather than fans) will likely only realise gains by selling.
the spike i was thing might happen, seems to have happened/be happening. I'm also mindful of steady eddies comments. Rangers is largely a business run and owned by business men who will possible seek to sell to the highest in the shortest time. But will there be a demand for them? yes, it would seem that monies will not be re-invested and the transfer ban will mean that season tickets sales can be split out in dividends. so it would seem that rangers are over-valued simply by the fact there is a small pool of people with a large holding. Celtic is undervalued as fans might simply refuse to sell (emothional attachment etc). But again looking at the basic maths of the situation and notwithstanding the 45% increase in 3 months or 105 increase in one day, the saleable assets and likely income this year, combined with the likelihood of CL football at least once every 2 years for the next few years, it would still seem this business/club is undervalued somewhat.
Seems the market feels this will benefit Celtic more than TheRangers with Celtic's share price continuing to rise, whilst TheRangers suffers a slight drop. The initial offering from TheRangers does seem to have piqued some interest in Celtic's shares though as SteadyEddie notes, which must be welcome. I wonder if it will tempt others into the market. On a separate note I was speaking to some from the continent about SMEs getting credit ratings and issuing hiigh yield debt - I wonder if there is a market for this type of financiing for football clubs looking to invest in their infrastructure by issuing medium term debt?
Again today. New multi million £ shirt sponsorship deal to be announced this afternoon, rumours to be Magners. Could be the catalyst for the further rise.
Hi Thank you for your input. My reasons for stimulating a discussion on this forum are for investment / profit . until 2nd jan this year no posts since 18th september last year .little interest/ share movement not good for any investors / profit takers. companies and individuals do take notice of forum discussions and often respond see sar forum..AZ responded Talking down a share often has the opposite effect as seen on this one great for short term gain my aim achieved . all the best to you for this year , your team as well
For anyone interested, the difference in MC may not be as odd as you think. Rangers are owned by businessmen only interested in making a profit and will pay dividends to shareholders. It will milk the club like a cash cow - good news for shareholders, bad news for fans. Celtic on the other hand are unlikely to pay dividends and money will be reinvested - good news for fans, you can make your own mind up whether this is good news as a shareholder. I have some shares, primarily as a fan though I see this is a massively undervalued business too. Another couple of years like this year and they will have no other choice but to offload some cash to shareholders!
I responded to you initial query because I thought you were considering an investment. Do you own research, but I suspect you are talking down this stock for reasons other than financial. There are lots of sites where your views would be most welcome, and some people may even thing they make sense.
Don't get to wrapped up with the £7 million debt. It's managable But lets break it down really simply. Last year debt £7.2 million= recorded in the accounts at end of year that the sale of Ki not included in year end. He was sold just after accounts published, oh by the way he went for £7million. Simplisticly' debt wiped out apart from £200k. So you carry that £200k debt into this year were up till now you have a squad, some who may be for sale. You have already made £23million minimum PROFIT from the CL. Money for winning SPL, etc etc You have the potential to offload Kayal for £5million to Norwch(offer on table), Wanyama £12million to various clubs. Don't have to be on Mastermind to see that there will be huge profits this year. I know that players have to be replaced, but taking into account Celtics scouting record over the past 3 year looks like they have their finger on the pulse.
What a simplistic way of looking at things. GL with your investments, you may need it.
where on earth do people get the idea that wanyama is worth 15 million dreamers .mcgeadie was the best player in the world yes that was quoted and now the ones who cannot get a game every week are worth more talk about ramping .. celtic are £7.2 million in debt at this moment in time check annual accounts . until this debt is cleared that remains a fact no one can deny . . To base the value of a club on projected sales of players and champions league income is not the way to go . cfc and the manager will not see any of that income as proved in the past , To worry and keep on compareing cfc with rfc int shows no reason,rfc have no debt. no large movement in shares trading in cfc and few comments on this board show how much people are interested in a club that are £7.2 million in debt .
I'm perplexed with the M.Cap of the club too. If you strip out the value of the stadium and lennoxtown (as you need these to carry out the business of a football club and they are therefore non reliseable, non saleable assets), we can look at likely profit, turnover and value of saleable assets. At this moment in time, the club looks likely to make a clean profit of £25-£30m this year and will be left with zero debt too(having been largely wiped out by the sale of Ki). Player assets, like Wanyama at say a sale price of £12-£15m, would still leave celtic in a position to function as a successful football team. Add into this the system in place seems to be unearthing high quality and low cost players - its very hard to see how the club can be valued at £47m, when this season alone, after the possible sale of wanyama - a tot profit of £35-40m will be realised. Then valuing on a common 1 or 1.5 of turnover, would indicate that the club could, without much controversy be valued at c£70-£100m. finally - looking at the value (and the best comparison is an open market float) of the new club, sevco/rangers, we see it is valued 20% higher than celtic, notwithstanding the fact the club isn't out of the woods, has player values of no more than a few million for the entire squad, unproven board and management and no likelihood of a decent run in europe for at least 5 years. ....then, one can only but deduce that there is a major spike going to occur in the Celtic share price, or a dramatic collapse in the new rangers share price - or a combination of both.
Certainly undervalued when you look at the MC of the new Rangers International. In truth I think it's more of a massive over valuation there than an under valuation here. Certainly going forward the income from player sales and CL particupation should see a consolidation at or slightly above this level.
Of course they are undervalued.Look at earnings this year with an almost identical level for the next 2 years. Profit this year should be in the region of 25million
Celtic have actually earned £23M from their Champions League run this year, and they could net more if they progress further. This does not include the additional gate money and matchday activities from the Group Stages and beyond. It is estimated that this will take it to £27M+. They also have a number of players attracting significant attention from teams in the EPL and elsewhere, notably Wanyama, Foster (England's No. 2 goalkeeper) and Hooper - figures being thrown around would suggest £30M total for the 3. The £7.2M is small potatoes and I don't think solvency is a word to be used given the numbers involved. Celtic are a prudently run business and will be cash-rich at the end of this season. I agree that the difference in valuation between Celtic and Rangers is curious. Rangers are debt free with a strong brand and loyal customer base, but also have issues which will effect their growth. TV and Sponsorship money will be a challenge in the lower divisions, ticket prices for lower league games must through necessity be reduced, and Ibrox stadium has asbestos issues that will require many millions to be sorted out (which was for some reason not mentioned in the lead up to float). Rangers may be over-priced, Celtic are definitely underpriced.
Can anyone answer if cfc will clear the £7.2 million debt they are in to make the club solvent . From the £10 million income from the champions leage fixtures. and will this then make this share worth buying as no movement or disussions on this forum to indicate reason for it being half the value of rfc