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even borders
Aus
You are confused aren't you. Within the rest of the EU, anyone can cross boarders without checks.
The UK will check who you are before being allowed in but cannot refuse entry to an EU citizen.
Aus
An EU citizen (unless a criminal) has the right to enter the UK.
What is so difficult for you to understand?
Aus
''the way Eu immigration can be controlled''
EU nationals have freedom of movement to come into the UK.
Long - huhhhh, I’ve already explained the way Eu immigration can be controlled
I’ve already explained more immigration comes from outside the EU, therefore EU isn’t really the problem, if indeed immigration is a problem to you
SHENGEN means we have borders and control / checks at those borders. It’s not quite “no borders” is it. I’m sorry but I don’t really want to spend my Sunday evening explaining things to you
Basically I think you should be ashamed of yourself, can we leave it at that
Z
Wanting a Marxist government, I don't think investing in shares is for you.
the rest of EU
Aus
Not being in Schengen gives the UK the right to stop non EU nationals entry, even when coming from the EU.
Non EU nationals in the EU can go anywhere in the EU.
Aus
Not being in Schengen does not give us the right to stop EU nationals entry into the UK
Haha BP very good.
I'm surprised there are so many people wanting the Tories to win...they've spent the last 3 or 4 years trashing BT after being lobbied by other SPs including Rupert fecking Murdoch with OFCOM and the super incompetent Sharon White in their back pockets. Theyve trashed BT and the SP and if Bonkers gets in then its game over for BT. Trump and the US cable companies will get the go ahead and BT will once again have to stand by regulated and incontinent.
Long - try to keep up, or are you really getting confused?
The point is English Channel isn’t anything without a border, that was the point of asking why you didn’t ask yourself about one way ferry tickets?
Anyway, to help you out it’s called SCHENGEN & the U.K. isn’t in it, it’s one of the marvellous things John major negotiated the U.K. out of before signing Maastricht. It’s one of the reasons why our EU membership is the best !!!!! But you might not understand any of that
Apparently johnson has promised to make the English Channel wider whilst the rest of them are secretly planning to pave over it.
Aus
''shows we do have borders ''
We have the English Channel.
Unfortunately for the rest of the EU, they don't have that barrier.
Aus
people entering the EU from Africa and want to go to Germany, they can. They will not be asking for permission to do so.
Someone from Poland doesn't need permission to enter Germany. No one would stop them
Aus
You seem to not know about EU freedom of movement
Long - quite frankly you can’t seem to read or understand what you are reading (that explains your vote)
I’ve already said any EU country can control immigration from another EU country, Germany does. Proof of job, 3 months expenses, no financial help until qualifying period or deported
U.K. government chooses not to do this.
People stuck in Calais shows we do have borders - leave campaigned on lies we had no borders
Non EU immigration running so high shows government hasn’t / didn’t feel the need to control any kind of immigration.... non EU migration has nothing to do with EU yet as a leave voter you’ve been sold another lie, that some how leaving the EU fixes a pretend immigration problem, which could have been fixed anyway
Talk about being made fools out of
Aus
''you can see migrants stuck in Calais''
They are not EU nationals.
For some reason they don't want to be in mainland Europe
Aus
''Only 20% of immigration is from the EU, 80% from non EU. Government has full control of this ''
Not going to bother checking figures but my answer is SO WHAT.
The UK government have no control of numbers coming in from the EU.
The UK government need control of who is allowed to come into the UK based on a system of need. A new points based system will be introduced by a Conservative government.
Long - no what actually happened becomes fact.
These do not get in the way of reality, they get in the way of your reality, which is a lie.
These facts are known as inconvenient truths.
I’m guessing you no longer know what is truth or what is a lie. Did you see my immigration post before
Only 20% of immigration is from the EU, 80% from non EU. Government has full control of this & can control immigration from the EU but chooses not to, using borders you were told do not exist.... even though you can see migrants stuck in Calais risking their lives to avoid border checks you don’t think exist.... As a leaver voter why didn’t you think these people could just buy a one way ferry ticket, if there were no borders......
You go on about labours referendum as if it’s madness, but some how all that made sense to you? Really? Bit like immigrants simultaneously “taking jobs & claiming benefits”.. dangerous nonsense.
Aus
''so we can screw the younger generation ''
Back to that old chestnut.
Next you will be saying that 16 year olds should be allowed to vote.
Personally I would rather raise the age to 21.
Aus
Your 'facts' get in the way of reality
Long - what are you talking about? Seriously if you’re trying to score points and convince me this Labour Party is rubbish, don’t bother. I already know it
I just think it’s a better option than the Dominic Cummings / Steve Bannon sickness that’s taken your mind away from you.
Yayyyy, let’s leave the EU so we can screw the younger generation !!!
It is a bit like that. Obviously leave voter logic will now argue when the national health service was created by Bevan that some how Churchill & other Tories can take the credit for it by voting against it & therefore trying to stop it
Of course the argument might be they wanted to create a vastly better one, with free unicorns and other things, but we’ll never know will we
Of course Tory party or it’s previous incarnations coukd have done this many times before but didn’t a bit like today, they could have pretended to build 40 new hospitals (whilst secretly intending to refurbish 3) 10 years ago, same as pretending 20,000 new police officers etc etc etc
Aus
''Anything prior to that was cheap talk.''
No it wasn't, it was fact.
The NHS proposal was under the Churchill led coalition.
A version of NHS got implemented by Labour.
Like choosing a version of Brexit.
A proper Brexit as voted for in the 2016 referendum or the 'Momentum Labour' version (which would be a remain version) on which they want to have a 'peoples vote' to choose between the current remain option or their new remain option. They would campaign against their remain option in favour of remain.
Long - I don’t disagree. The only facts that matter are Bevan actually did it & Churchill et’ all voted to stop it. Anything prior to that was cheap talk.
Can we agree that’s the end of that little bit of nonsense - next