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Hopefully we can take the "Li-ion" share of the large scale battery installations, away from Li-ion.
I'm here all week!
Hi alfa and others who generously share info about this event.
All sounds great prospective news.
Are there any reporters there who might spread the word to the wider world? We all know vrfbs are superior to L-I. We have to get the world to understand that and then perhaps we can fly.
KN
I hope Mikhail is getting his story prepared - Those data centres will need a lot of Vanadium!
yup ... just look at the bio's of some of them. Very influential and very very encouraged at what they said, how they spoke, and the real clarity of business thinking.
.... get the real impression a lot is going on in the background and not much more to click into place.
faramog - indeed, you really had to hear exactly how Adam spoke about Mikhail and BMN to really appreciate it. AIM investors if they are not paying attention risk completely missing out on what is one of those few genuine Microsoft moments.
Rick Winter (president & CEO of UniEnergy Technologies)
"The more you use a flow battery the cheaper it is, the more you use a Lithium-Ion battery the shorter it lives..... this is an argument the flow battery area needs to make a lot more of"
Adam Rouselle (senior executive in the bulk electric transmission sector and a recognized leader in advanced remote sensing technologies for the energy industry.)
Speaking about VFRB expansion, future and rapid load shifting and storage needs ... "
The whole industry is going to be looking to Mikhail in the future"
WOW !!!
I did Alfa ... so we can expect the pendulum to swing back to leasing perhaps.... does not get past the wider warranty point which is excellent.
Been some very interesting presentations and well worth 3 hours ! .... May have to look at 3 days in Dusseldorf in Jan
bassguy - they are different beasts Vanitec is Vanadium focussed - IFBF is flow batteries but you have to put up with a number of small-time bit players trying to push crazy 'novel' chemistries that they've managed to rig up in the corner of their labs. Having said that today's IFBF session is the first one that I have seen that really gives VRFB's their proper commercial credit.
faramog - I hope you just heard what Kenneth Davies just said in response to Mikhail's points about leased electrolyte
Hi Alfa
I got in, invite went to junk mail, saw a few moments with something about data centres then realised I could wind back the meeting so have it on pause at the start of the event and will watch later as a whole.
I have had to sort out some medical things today which have taken my time and also my mental ability.
will have a proper look assuming it keeps working, they said there will be a full posting on the IFBF website (https://flowbatteryforum.com - worth look) in a few days so everyone can watch hopefully. Even the tiny bit I saw seemed much better than the Vanitec one yesterday, which the second half I saw seemed a bit empty, a lot of stuff about animations and a bit on costs for recycling end of life
amazing wasn't it faramog ?
What an interesting final point... when looking to invest $100-$200M in battery technology, we must have investment grade warranty or we have to go with inferior technology'
And there is the great VFRB rollout challenge !
Been by far the most interesting and detailed cost talk .. very interesting Alfa ...
Bassguy - what do you think of the guy currently talking at the International Flow Battery Forum - he is looking to buy 2 GWh of batteries for driving data centres
@bassguy they're on a break at the moment, resuming talking at 2.0pm, try again because it is really interesting.
As a note, daniel gatti from IDTechEx pumped Bushy very nicely.
matt from Invinity is really positive, nd as a side note I wish i had got in there earlier.
You should receive an email with a link. You will need to open it in Windows "Teams" app, or via a browser alternative.
Well I cant get in, I have a “ticket” but it just gies round and round without any obvious entry to anything, the one thing that does look promising just has no content available yet pasted across it.
Have given up
IFBF live now .... the conference is from 18th Jan 21 for 2/4 days .. TBC
Website says postponed til 21
Says nothing available yet?