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Thanks for your posts Mowzer which I think are excellent and thoughtful. They expose the antics of two narcissistic incessant posters who just love to play victim. And with their antics exposed these posters come out of the woodwork to try and throw shade. Its classic them. Faux indignation writ large when Fun-time exposes them.
Wyndrum, you posted..
“To me this has been a civilised discussion on what this BB is like and the reasons for it. yet there was one post, FTS, which added nothing to it and was personally rude. Not defending their involvement in making the BB unreadable, just having a pop. 16 recs so far. So they are encouraged to carry on with their own disruptive behaviour”
Most of your posting is designed to gain a response. You are a sea lion troll 100%
My post generated 33 “up ticks”
Yours generated 7 “up ticks”
The majority of the board agrees with me, therefore the stats prove that I’m a more valued poster.
The hamster keeps on spinning...
Moving on like a demented hamster on his wheel I see.
Here’s a case it point. Goodness knows what drivel he’s posted, but young Marik was obsessed with Deeks, telling us all he would support a validated high s/s LFD ie Avacta
He wont. Unless he totally backtracks
He sees PCR as the yardstick. So any LFD will come up short when measured against it.
I couldn’t get that through to him after 20 odd posts of trying. I only persevered so others might pick up on it and get a heads-up
Mina on twitter has been going on and on and on about it for months on twitter. Deeks even blocked him.
If you support LFD mass usage you must be in the Mina camp and *not* the Deeks.
I can only assume the penny finally dropped and young Marik is trailing around after me as he didn’t like to be exposed as clueless.
Myself? I’ve moved on. Something the yapping puppies seem unable to do
I have to agree with your last comments mowzerrocks. It is insecurity and jealousy. Just ignore his comments or put him on filter.
“Whatever” back and double it lmao
I don’t care what your opinion is of me nor of any of the other yapping puppies, whose main purpose on this board seems to be to follow me from thread to thread issuing insults.
Very odd. I mean it is isn’t? Most people would just accept my posts for what they are and get on
I mean, I posted once in the middle of the night and now you’re obsessed with my urinary tract.
You really are a strange one
I post my opinion positive and negative and call out the misdirection of the rampers with facts when I feel like it.
If you can’t cope with that, filter and move on. What could be simpler?
There’s a good lad
Whatever Eggy - maybe your game is to just provoke. I did say that it wouldn’t help.
I find your personality and your posts quite unbalanced most of the time and your tone vile. I even expressly declared that I didn’t completely disagree with some of the content and yet apparently that makes me nothing but a ramper. You are so blind to your own arrogance the fact that your posts have the opposite effect of your stated intentions. Bit of a failure all round - unless your game is purely to provoke.
Someone said it in an earlier post, yawn. Wyndrum’s borefest broken down:
“Me me me me me me me, it’s not fair, me me me me me me me.”
Windy - going by your posts I looked up some of the self-indulgent drivel.
It’s basically his excuse for ramping the stock, criticising others who are cautious and attempting to be balanced, while he’s selling in the background.
If you’re a holder you have to be “positive” you see, no matter what :-/
It’s a pathetic excuse for scurrilous behaviour
I would like to board to have subject folders so that it was easier to navigate certain topics; There are too many posts that are personal. If the board was organised, subject led. IDK, maybe a folder for newbies, what Avacta's history is to date, what products are available, what are the size of the markets, what are the competitors doing, predictions.. It was just a suggestion. At the moment it is just a mixed bag. I would like the facility to order the posts in each folder by the number of likes .. this would remove a lot of crap and save a lot of time. The platform is old fashioned, clunky and reminds me of the original Friends Reunited, website back in the early 2000s but without any the friendly, kind, nice to see you chat.. Currently, it's rude, abusive, and vitriolic and hostile.
Have a nice day :-)
Mowz, I agree and have said to a disbelieving BB, that I don't think any post here alters the SP. It may sway some to buy or sell who read the posts and whichever way they go its their decision that they live with.
But the clogging of the BB which is largely what this is about is probably around 20-30 posts on a "bad day" from the evil trio out of 200 plus every day? so maybe 85% plus is from others.
What clogs the BB is the gang of the guardians clogging it up with off topic remarks in an effort to stoop the being overrun... I mean really, you couldn't make it up,
Bust as I say if no one replies then the poster will post much much less.
To me this has been a civilised discussion on what this BB is like and the reasons for it. yet there was one post, FTS, which added nothing to it and was personally rude. Not defending their involvement in making the BB unreadable, just having a pop. 16 recs so far. So they are encouraged to carry on with their own disruptive behaviour.
Like I say, you couldn't make it up.
Kong - The danger is really only that the board is clogged and it takes longer to find anything useful. I’m happy to read all useful discussion positive or negative, but the campaigns of vitriol and negativity to discredit those with positive opinions in the name of balance or altruism are just not believable and sets off the dominoes of back and forth abuse. That was my point in the OP.
I’ve said many times before my issue with the main offender is not particularly the content but the tone. I do also take issue with middle of the night one liners that only be interpreted to spread fear.
wyndrum - there is a bigger picture. There are many approaches to investing and your preference is just one. Holding after researching is one for sure. Trading can cause a lot of losses if a volatile stock. Look at BTC for example. Spread betting is an easy way to get underwater very quickly.
I agree with the topping up sentiment. However I would refer to you to my point about the actual impact of such statements. I think it is an illusion that has been painted that there are lots of people throwing money in based on the rampers. It is the justification that those who bombard this board with negative sentiment which ultimately clog it up - and I think it just needs to be called out.
Mowzer, I don't think I have ever taken any post from you as a personal attack, and enjoy the sometimes, different take we have over the same info. :0)
This whole "trader" thing is imo, quite a bit overdone here. Of course I can trade a stock and hold at the same time for the long term. If the cancer therapy works then the SP could easily be North of £20 per share. So for that potential extraordinary gain I have set aside about £30k in AVCT to see it play out. I then have a separate trading pot which I never expected to have to use with AVCt because it really could only explode at any time, but as we know it has been one delay (largely unexplained) after another so from November last year I traded it. A few here are genuinely interested in TA so I have posted at various times my thoughts on AVCT from a TA perspective.
I am not overly impressed with "research" as ultimately the only way to buy a stock (by and large) in front of a big move is not so much in the research available (everybody has that available to them and the SP already reflects that info), but by making a leap in analysis and effectively gamble that this "analysis" of a potential outcome based on research will pay off.
My argument with "research" is that Myles as an example (who i have no beef with whatsoever and kindly makes his research and conclusions widely available), is that...what good has it done over the last 15 months? All the links, all the dot joining, how has that helped anybody make money here since June last year?
That obvious fact should be cause for pause, shouldn't it? Lots of people are underwater by quite some margin having done their research.
I am not saying it worthless by any means but the evidence is in front of eyes that skilled, professional analysts have been woeful on this stock thus far, from an investment pov.
There is no bigger picture here.
AVCT is just a stock, one of hundreds to choose from. People have already made money from it by buying in at lower than we are today and others have lost money on it. Its not that remarkable a thing.
I am not shouting how crappy it is, what I have highlighted or tried to , that there is a reason why the SP falls from 280p to 100p in a matter of a few weeks. You can't put a "positive" spin on that, but why should you, why can't we just discuss whats likely going on in the background to cause this slump?
If the conclusion is, "we don't know, but lets exercise some caution and not just recommend topping up on every fall until we do have a clearer idea of what is happening", don't you think that would have been good investment advice?
My critics I feel, shoot at the wrong at target when decrying my motives.
Every share that has exiting prospects will always have posters like wyndrum.
I’ve seen it so many times.
There will always be the opposite. Some will not have a bad word said.
The two types of posters are as dangerous as each other
Wyndrum - food for thought...
Have you tried to use this BB as a trading discussion when in fact 99% of the posters here don't come for that? You try to engage in trading discussions littered with analysis of the company and given that we are down that analysis is undeniably going to be negative - it has to be, otherwise why would be down so much?
It is like shopping at Sainsbury's for DIY materials. You might find a wee bit of what you want, but what you have been doing is standing outside the store with a loudspeaker shouting about the crappy paint Sainsbury's sells. I'm not trying discredit any of your TA or motives - but you need to see the bigger picture. Given that the diversity (or lack of) is what makes this board- you need to understand your audience better. It is what it is. It would be better if this board could be split into topics, but you will never please most people.
My take on you is that you are mostly a trader and in that respect sentiment is important. However you have reported being invested, I think that is what many here take issue with. Maybe you can be both, a trading stack and a holding stack. But if you are holding 80%, then you aren't going to spout negative stuff as it *COULD* impact the majority of your exposure. That is the information that others will use to judge you.
Every post on here is judged. Those that think they are preaching are the problem. Arrogance will get you abuse. Ignore it if you like, but I don't see much ignoring going on, do you?
Again this is not an attack, I have only taken a step back and try to understand the dynamics of why this board is so poor at the moment.
Well said mowzerrocks (again) and wyndrum. I have filtered many of the abusive purported rampers who contribute nothing factual or objective. If there are any others who want to abuse me then go ahead and I'll filter you also.
Mowzer, the problem is more I think actually this board. I have a about 6-10 stocks at any given time and post on those BB's too and don't get any grief at all (unless I bump into someone from here). (ODX seems also to be a pretty spiteful BB but has some of the same characters there as here), but generally actually this BB stands out for its vindictive approach to other posters. This BB is different to others.
As an example if you are a new poster here and you don't post a rampy first view, then almost always, someone (normally more than one), immediately will cast doubt on your reasons for making your first post on the BB and that you are probably "someone else" deliberately here to cause mischief. There is no "innocent until proven guilty" here. and it normally is a pretty rough ride. Why does that happen (Mostly only here remember)?
The thing is and I have without much success tried to highlight, posts should be objective, and not catagorised as positive or negative, those 2 attributes have got nothing whatsoever in allowing a reader to see if the post in question has merit or not. Any yet far too many posters view comments through this inappropriate prism as whether or not the content is worth reading.
I am seen as overwhelmingly negative and worse by some, maybe many, and when I pointed out that I had been broadly correct, that was met with, "I wouldn't trust a thing you say and don't listen to a word you post. "
So even being correct does not help on this BB. I don't mention this to say look at me, but simply to highlight the absurdity of the response. Basically its not about being right or wrong , its just about being positive!
The solution is ands always has been, If a poster ticks you off enough you just filter them or don't respond. If no one replies to me for instance, then I have no way of answering their objections to whatever I might be raising. And that's it, that's all it takes to keep the BB clear of whoever it is. Just don't engage. And those that do (about the issues raised), well that's fine, they may take a different view and want to swap views with again in this example, me. and they should be allowed to do so.
What this BB has that almost no other has, is a small group that feel that immediately being personally abusive will solve anything. I have pointed this out several times now, but threads are commonly started just to be offensive to the poster they don't like. Nothing about AVCT or the post in question, and more often than not the poster in question responds (not unreasonably, actually), which then draws more in and it all gets a bit heated, and then after probably 20 or so posts the thread gets deleted.
But the damage to the general BB has been done.
Its these posters that are (well, already have to a large degree), destroyed this BB and yet everyone here is happy to tolerate them even though they are the instigators of the cause of the disruption.
Good post Mowzer, it's now 6.30am, I'm assuming a certain poster used a nappy last night as you haven't had abuse ***YET***. :)
I sincerely hope you get zero abuse. Very well written and right on point. Thank you for taking the time. I think that I have read two good posts on here this week !!
So a version of this got removed earlier. Upon reflecting all the deleted posts and how this board has gone to the dogs (no offence doggy) I thought it might be worth a reshare - I know it should be obvious but all the bickering is insane here.
So here it is - apparently rocket science for some.
People who invest in companies by buying shares do so to make money. No one does it to lose money. This is a simple fact.
Those who post excessively in a positive manner about a share don’t arouse suspicion because the simple fact above. It is expected the same way a company promotes its goods by advertising. It is pretty easy to scroll on by.
Most (not all) people do their own research (DYOR) and those that don’t learn their lesson pretty quickly. Those that DYOR don’t invest based on positive posts on BBs or the Myles’ of Twitter. They come looking to share research. They make their own minds up and invest their own money. They blame themselves if it goes south. This is what mature and measured investors do.
People who post excessively (day and night) with little else than negativity (even if littered with snippets of backhanded positivity) arouse suspicion for obvious reason - see my point above, the making money part.
Altruism is a really weak alibi- especially on an anonymous board. Perhaps if you used your real name and put your very own reputation on the line … but even then no one would believe you were invested - which many purport to be. It just isn’t credible.
Certainly there can be some mental issues here at play - jealousy, narcissism, etc. To dedicate so much time day and night to posting on LSE is disturbing. It just isn’t normal behaviour or a sign of mental balance. Time differences or bladder issues used as excuses - true or not - are just not believable. I will repeat, even IF true, it is just not believable and will only make you a target. It is perfectly fair when you aren’t putting your name on the line. AND when you add the arrogance and the sheer volume of posts - you can see how the accusations of trolling come about.
I’m not particularly fond of the Twitter Uber rampers but in the case of Myles he has shared a lot of his research and it is good research. I wouldn’t pay much attention to any alluding of inside knowledge from him or anyone else.
And that is the perpetual question does someone else know something I don’t? Best to not believe the hype NOR the negative tripe. Just DYOR and risk what you can afford to lose and set your limit in terms of exposure. It really needn’t be rocket science.
Sorry such a lengthy post just felt that it is a balanced post and got removed in the deletion of the other thread. I’m sure it will do no good.