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Eadwig. Best set of news in years and you seem very critical !
It beggars belief that people are hell bent on being negative in this country instead of celebrating great achievements. Especially when there is so much environmental news around and the benefits AFC will bring in helping the world reduce carbon emissions.
Think of the bigger picture !
Eadwig,
As a regular festival goer I can assure you that the size of the generators used there is immense and add in the huge diesel tank they have then size is possibly even more favourable with AFC!! I look forward to the day I wander around festival looking at the blissful silence of an AFC genset with zero emissions!!!
A great couple of weeks and many congratulations to the whole team at AFC. AB has done a cracking job and the doubters, myself included at times, have been proved very wrong.
GLAH
Jim
Eadwig.... Not a typo...http://www.southcoastcontainers.com/buy_10ft_container/ The diesel genset replacement fuel cell unit is about helping to reduce emissions....not a physical size war .. hope this helps.
3 products, 2 container sizes.
HydroX-Cell (L20)TM
20kWel nameplate, Zero greenhouse emissions, Low noise and odour
10’ ISO shipping container footprint
Capable of running on direct hydrogen or cracked ammonia
Supports backup, intermittent or base load power
Available from December 2019
I've never heard of a 10' container - perhaps its a typo and they mean 20' - but its certainly a lot bigger than a diesel generator to have lying around for backup purposes. I think AFC have some downsizing to do. The 'available from' date looks like a definite announcement of a commercial product available for order right now though!
L160 and L400 products are in 40' containers - the standard larger size shipping container. Fine to dump on a mine site, but too big for many applications elsewhere I think. Not available for another 6 and 18 months respectively.
I know, but it does show that at least originally the battery was in the same container as the fuel cell and the invertor. I agree this could all be different now, not looking to die on this hill.
The same as the DeNora website picture.. https://www.denora.com/news-events/news-list/extension-jda-afc.html
MitchConnor ...That is the original mock-up sketch from the January news release ....the pictures on the new web site will be more representative....
klunk
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-news/105710/uk-s-afc-energy-launches-ch2arge-world-s-first-hydrogen-fuel-cell
This looks like the rear containerised section of the EV charger to me.
Thanks Mitch - I’m creating the confusion here! Useful info thanks.
Sorry heath, I assumed you were on about the EV charging platform available in December rather than the larger systems with the first 160kW system available from June 2020.
The image on the website is of a 40ft container, I would still think it would all be contained in the one housing as the cracker would be installed between the bottle banks/feed stock and the fuel cells, also running gas works externally to the containerised area would carry its own risks and regulations.
The smaller of the two units has " danger high voltage" on the front ....probably the MSP 72-288 kWh storage pack
It’s looking promising - hopefully I’ll get to see one of these containers with my own eyes sooner rather than later.
Any way, what a great week! Thanks for your company folks, and sprog, you are too generous. What will next year bring?
Looking at old drawings on the net the cracker does seem to be in the same container as the fuel cells.
Also may be best to keep the cracker separate to allow for easy replacement / repair and avoid it interfering with the AFC plant
Mitch - your link shows the EV charger as opposed to the container on the new website. Asks the question whether they are going to be different or whether one picture (or both) are illustrations.
Yes, as it will need to vent by-products to atmosphere and also require ventilation for cooling along with the fuel cells.
I agree, but wouldn’t the cracker need ventilation - it will get very hot?
https://afcenergyprod.wpengine.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Roadshow-brochure-131119-3-JT1.pdf
Heath, if you look at the illustration of the fuel cell unit you will notice that the front storage compartment is ventilated, I think this will be for storage of bottled ammonia or hydrogen although I can’t see the latter being preferable. I think the cracker would be in the back section to keep it clear of the bottled gas banks, also I would think it preferable to keep electricity in this area to a minimum or even totally excluded.
I wonder what sizes will be catered for by a single container? Also whether a cracker will be part of the delivered unit or a separate piece of external kit. Probably external so each container will have a single ‘hydrogen in’ port.