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mcmikeyh, that is fine in a fuel cell but what I am talking about are the non-fuel cell uses, like alkaline electrolysis. where it will not encounter dirty hydrogen
don't forget though Bb the Nafion uses 99.9% pure whereas the AFC version is not that dependant.
so if the AFC version gets close to 50% longevity then that is superb.
Looking at this website about Nafion the thicker membrane with backing, for more challenging environments, have a longevity of more than 100,000 hours. Which is something like 11 years.
https://www.fuelcellstore.com/fuel-cell-components/membranes/nafion
And if you read the 11th Nov RNS the focus for 2020 is demonstrating the stability of the membrane in different uses, which again fits in with my earlier comments, except we don’t know what the desired longevity is in other uses.
But that understanding is consistent with what I read in the brokers note last night and quoted at 16.13 today.
I take the point, however, that longevity requirements may be different in a fuel cell or some other industrial process, but we have no handle on what those timescales are.
When i asked the question on Patents I was sure that he said its not been sent out to customers yet but available to purchase from Richlists question. I assumed it hadn't been sent out until patent received. But that may not be correct.
The membrane is available for different customers to test now. The 2022 date is for its use in a high power fuel cell.
Looking at my notes I have written and under lined twice that it requires longevity testing.
I took that to mean the membrane in customers facilities. The other possibility is that it refers to its lifespan in the high power fuel cell.
Adam made it clear on Friday that samples had been sold to customers to test in their own applications. There was a brief additional comment on questionning that new users of AlkaMem may need to adjust tooling/ products to adapt to the membrane so orders from customers would take time. Longevity was not an issue and not for AFC to test for as there were so many applications that even they didn't know of. That is my memory of the discussion....hope it helps
"The AlkaMemTM membrane is available for license and joint development applications in various thicknesses. The table below provides details of the key technical specification that AlkaMemTM can provide."
The word "is" not "will" , to me means it's available now.
Availble to order now...but not for delivery now ...2022 ?
It must be, otherwise the brokers note/RNS would not be written up as they are?
Available now for testing?
Actually Richlist you're correct. He did say it was available now.
I asked about Alkamem in the Q and A last Friday.
Adam said it is available now for potential purchase.
That it was being tested for various performances.
Most of these boxes were ticked, but ongoing testing for some things (he didn't specify what).
However, I imagine that any longevity testing would be specific to the customer application/conditions, so would be up to them. AFC couldn't test for everyone's conditions.
He also said that for customers asking questions about it longevity was not one of the things they were asking about.
So my take on this is that it does not require long term further testing before it is a commercial product, but it is up to the customer to see it it meets their specific needs. For this it is available now.
I’m not a member, the list appears to be members rather than attendees, there was a post on here and a link to the meeting on their website. May have flown under the radar but they have now removed the link from the events calendar.
You a member then Mitch? Most of us gravitate to the RSPB or National Trust :-).
Thanks for that. I take it they are members rather than attendees.
BB
Adam Bond gave a talk today to the British Parking Association, look at the list of members....
OK, thanks haggis. In which case demonstrating is likely to be a drawn-out process, taking over a year, as was the case for the liquid electrodes, and of course we would need to see if it is successful. Excuse my caution on this, I have been here almost ten years too....
I would hope we would get an RNS informing us when these trials start, as I would also like to see an RNS informing us of the movements of the 20 kW demonstrator unit.
So will we see a biggish delayed trade? The bid/ask crimped up close to the bell.
BumbleB,
Fuelcellinvestor posted on this thread:
"As I posted last night, all of NI's posts are cut and pasted from the WH Ireland broker note from 11th November"
So the same date as the RNS.
I'm sticking with the wording in the RNS, as that's straight from the horse's mouth.
haggis, yes, it was the brokers note I am uncertain of, date-wise.
If I recall correctly, the consistency on the book the day after the last rns
Have a good evening and good informed discussion on here by the way. This really does have legs this one
BumbleB,
Re: "The if suggests there is a bit more work to do on longevity, although I don't know the date of that brokers note relative to the RNS you quoted?"
The RNS I quoted was from 11 November.
https://www.investegate.co.uk/afc-energy-plc--afc-/rns/anionic-exchange-membrane-update/201911110700068789S/
Thank-you. How long had that been going on for, the repeat orders I mean? Days, weeks?