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Doesn't matter how many times some people are given facts Croc; they just prefer to believe in corrupt practices and wild speculation.
L2analyst, "these institutions want at least double or more return from their investment not few pence"
What evidence do you have of this?
There is none to support this.
Institutions have multiple different reasons for investing, different time horizons, risk profiles, sector limits, weight allowances per holding, etc.
All will enter, hold and exit in line with their portflio requirements rather than be looking at a fixed profit figure, indeed they may be forced to take profits much lower than they would like just to avoid breaching their portfolio guidelines.
II's do not think, or operate as a PI does, and cannot due to their imposed investment constraints, hence why PI's constantly think that II's, or anyone else are 'crazy to be selling' when they are seen to be doing so, regardless of what the prevailing SP is at the time. It may just be they have no choice in the matter.
What will be interesting is any TR1's seen on the admission of these new shares, either on Friday, or early next week.
gla
The dilution will already have been built in
Q I would say so, remember all the shares taken by institutions
Isn't the technical dilution already built into the SP?
Nobody is infallible but some people are pathologically incapable of admitting that they may be wrong
All the placing made to institutional investors and small amount to directors, these institutions want at least double or more return from their investment not few pence
"The Fundraising, which was oversubscribed, has raised gross proceeds of approximately £36 million through the placing of 48,404,614 new Ordinary Shares ("New Ordinary Shares") with institutional investors and a subscription of 5,038,760 New Ordinary Shares by the ABB group, 2,325,580 New Ordinary Shares by Dutco group and 45,000 New Ordinary Shares by certain Directors ("Director Subscription Shares"), in each case at a price of 64.5 pence per share.
I have just added at 69.10p looking at l2 order book i think we will breakout through 70p today imo
If you think the thread title is a ramp that's up to you = lie
this is being pegged at 74p = lie
shorters came in and won = lie
next ?
the truth is that in 2 days time there will be a 10% dilution so i would expect to see a fall to that point over the next couple of days assuming no further news before they hit the market, no doubt this will also be blamed on shorters or manipulation.
If you think the thread title is a ramp that's up to you, if you base all your investing decisions on the title of the information rather than the content, then you should stop investing and stick to the day job.
I wasn't wrong at all, the MCap held at £500m for ages, it's obvious to anyone with a couple of brain cells to rub together that it can't do that forever, no stock can, eventually it has to go one way or the other, and in AFC's case the shorters came in and won. You know this just like I do, so cut the BS please.
No idea whether I'm still on filter or not. Yes you provide information but if the heading of this thread isn't a form of ramp then I don't know what is. Have you got over the very demonstrable fact that you were utterly wrong on many, many occasions about the price being held at a market cap level of £500m yet?
Ogggs,
As I just said "despite the possibilities, with ABB and AFC both mentioning MS, MS using containers in their DC, MS looking already tested H2 FC's, and the carbon targets of MS"
If YOU want to write MS off, that's your prerogative too, but your suggestion that someone might as well say AFC could sell to all companies is tripe, because only MS are using containers in their DC, AFC have only mentioned MS, Apple and Google, and mentioned MS first, ABB have only mentioned MS, and MS are the one's that have trialled H2 FC's. In your failed theory, every company in the World would need to have the same scenario.
Scarpa50, you're on filter as well. Basically because I don't give a toss what you think, if you don't like what I post, put me on filter and STFU.
So telling everyone the price is being pegged at 74p is fact, funny that !
Quizzical, stop talking out of your rear end just to try and make your day trading pay off. My credibility is high and always intact because all I provide is information, YOU decide whether you want to read anything into it or not, because I don't tell you what to believe. If you don't think there is anything in it (despite the possibilities, with ABB and AFC both mentioning MS, MS using containers in their DC, MS looking already tested H2 FC's, and the carbon targets of MS) then that's entirely your prerogative.
Everyone here also knows, because I have told them multiple times, that my shares are in certificate form, in my wall safe, where they have been for close to 10 years (and smelling a bit dank now!), and I haven't had a trading account since then either, so I have no way to make any money from a pump n dump.
So due to your baseless malicious suggestions, you are now on filter.
Like I said Scarpa the realistic view is solely yours. I prefer optimism to pessimism any day.. somewhere in the middle is your own balanced opinion.
Whilst we all patiently wait for news of course !!
Investmentpro
I’d say I’m pretty optimistic about AFC and certainly not a de-ramper, but Haggis’ constantly posting about 500 million MCAP (which is rubbish; see Amigo for example) and his talk of having converted his shares to paper and locking them in a safe........too much for me. Some speculation about future growth prospects is ok if it’s less shouty.
Haggis didn’t disappear because he was embarrassed he stepped back because his enthusiasm was too much for the derampers.. I for one like his optimism and enjoy his informative posts. At the end of the day you are either upbeat about the possibility or pessimistic.. some would say realistic is the way forward but that choice is solely yours. Haggis’ optimistic view is ok with me. Rather that than the pump dump doom and gloom monster that has only one objective.. to lower the SP.
Haggis disappeared after his endless ramps failed to keep the share price up, he quoted numerous times ‘this is clearly pegged at 74p’, when the price crashed through that down to around 64p he vanished, too embarrassed to show his face, like a politician who’s been ejected from their party he waits a while then sneaks back hoping nobody will remember
Well said quizzical. Relentless baseless linking OF AFC to any company, sector, product or service that could possibly make use of our tech is unhelpful. Every company, sector, product and service needs power so the poster may as well just aay that AFC could sell to everyone on the planet. Which may be true but won't happen.
Haggis. I'm afraid this sort of commentary lacks credibility. I can't be sure it was pump & dump on your part recently, but it was most certainly pump & disappear, just as a particular major institution was selling down! What we need now is greater balance - less de-ramping from some A holes, but less incredulous ramping too. What next, an AFC unit going to Mars with SpaceX?
I don't think we need to really consider the names such as Microsoft, Apple etc etc. Of course they are big for data storage, but look deeper in to the market, and much of it is third party companies providing the space and guarantee of safe data. Any deal with one of the big names would be wonderful, but the big names expanding the data centre market can often offer a better price than creating your own data centre.
Remember BK GULF working with Equinix. ABB working with big data centre companies. There are videos online of Google data centres and Microsoft etc, but part of the package of secure data involves emp protection, possible attacks (sorry to bring this up), uninterrupted power supply, basically a guarantee of complete security.
We may well see a deal with a big name, but from my experience some of the big names we need are not the names we all know.
What would be really interesting would be if you had evidence that ABB are in talks with Microsoft
"By 2030 Microsoft will be carbon negative, and by 2050 Microsoft will remove from the environment all the carbon the company has emitted either directly or by electrical consumption since it was founded in 1975."
https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2020/01/16/microsoft-will-be-carbon-negative-by-2030/
ABB are very aware!
Date: April 22, 2020
"Many data centers are matching their energy usage with renewable energy and making commitments like Microsoft’s to be carbon negative by 2030"
https://new.abb.com/data-centers/data-center-sustainability-webinar-series