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On top of that, fuel cells are far more efficient than combustion engines, so chances of needing an engineer are few and far between.
Fuel cells are very simple compared to engines. AFC systems are cartridge based, so issues with a cartridge just means swap out of the cartridge. The cartridge with the issue can then be returned to AFC for technical examination. The cartridge can then be fixed and reused.
With the electronics it's the same, swap out a sensor or controller board, job done.
Nothing on an AFC fuel cell should take more than an hour or two to fix.
A big diesel generator engine, if it needs a valve or piston ring replacing, it's a day or two of work for one or maybe two engineers.
I don't think they are. More complex to design initially and prove. They have no moving parts. Piping, electrodes, electronics. Not any more difficult to fix just needs a different type of mechanic
With a genset you would have the good old traditional diesel fitter called out to fix it in the event of a breakdown. I wonder how AFC will address this issue as these units are considerably more complex.
I thought it was £100K for the 20kw charger
Notes, from the Q&A -
The 20kW unit and subsequent demonstrations has proven the basic underlying design concepts of AFC Energy’s fuel cell system. However, scaling up offers certain cost competitiveness advantages both in respect to the Balance of Plant and fuel costs
I would suggest that the 20kw system is OK where a small system in a 10ft container is suitable. The 160kw system is built in a 40ft container which is obviously more energy dense for its size and therefore I would expect to be cheaper to produce and buy per kw. However, the 20kw system would still have its applications and not necessarily in combination with EV charging. The EV charger is a bolt on to the 20kw and 160kw systems not 'The System'
Both are commercial products and as we have seen the 160kw system has been selected by Acciona for diesel generation replacement. I expect that businesses that require EV chargers for multiple electric vehicle comoany car users will be looking to install the 160kw system to avoid have to take power from the grid or costly connections to handle the additional load of charging.
Maybe the 20kw system could be used to power telecoms masts of grid where the 160kw system is too large. This was what Alkomonia demonstrated in combination with cracked ammonia?
There are so many applications for the system it is mind blowing. Fact is AFC have 2 commercially available products. The 20kw and the 160kw system. In addition with have Alkamem then to follow we have the 400kw liquid system and the large solid system in 2022.
What a set up. Get on and make some sales AFC
Ok, probably ok as a destination charger but no money in it.
Mus, for example 25Kva would be capable of running cell BTS backups off grids, currently using 12 Kva -30 Kva diesel.
Muscorum ....It is clearly a system that is for sale ....it states that on the website... https://www.afcenergy.com/products/hydrox-cell_l/ ....The HydroX-Cell(L)TM are available in three standard configurations L20 ... L160...L400+ .
Hi Agusta. I use Hargreaves and their prices are live. They no longer show daily trades on their website, or rather they say they are going to replace the way they present the data.
My point remains the same though that none of us see these delayed reported trades until the next day.
Anyway it’s good to see such big buys coming through as it validates our current sentiment about AFC. :)
Mucksy, you may know this but HyDeploy and HyNet are two different projects.
Hydeploy, as you have said is a small scale demo on a private network with involvement from Cadent Gas, NGN, ITM power. The next phase will be to trial in an NGN network
HyNet is a much larger project currently in design with an approximate 120km pipeline construction to transport 100% H2 across the network. This also includes Carbon Capture and underground storage (CCUS) in the Irish sea.
https://www.energynetworks.org/gas/futures/gas-goes-green.html
The second phase of HyDeploy will follow the same tried and tested approach used at Keele. It will use the same technology which has been tested and approved; the same rigorous approach to safety and the same Gas Safe checks for customers’ appliances.
The main difference with this demonstration is that we will be using the hydrogen with a wider variety of customers – more representative of the UK as a whole – on a public gas network. That means that the results will be more relevant for a national move towards using hydrogen, which is our ultimate aim.
So, around 670 households and several businesses will be using the hydrogen blend from December 2020, following HSE approval.
The gas network in this case is managed by Northern Gas Networks (NGN) which makes it a public network unlike the network at Keele which is private.
One of the first steps in this second phase will be to inform everyone who lives in the selected area that the demonstration is going ahead; we’re doing that right now. Once we have done that, we will reveal
Hi Southerhay, hope this isn't patronising as not meant to be, though if you don't pay for order depth information on whichever platform you use, all of the information will be 15 minutes delayed. I checked the trades this morning through my bank, and it came up with an 800,000 buy from yesterday, late reported. I find it frustrating and don't fully understand how it all works.
Similar one yesterday *
This surely has to be the problem. All these late reported trades ? Someone is accumulating. Equally, someone is selling.
Why wouldn’t such a massive purchase and a similar one be reported at the time of purchase or sale ?
It stinks of zero transparency and I’d love such activity to be checked by the FCA, just to check that everything is as it should be. I’m not suggesting anything is amiss, just the lack of transparency is strange. Maybe I’m naive in this regard but if I trade, it invariably shows up 15 minutes later (often reported as a sell rather than a buy). Frustrating!
02-Jun-2012:06:4127.5192650,000Buy*178.87k
Muscorum ....The 20kw system that was demonstrated in Dec 19......has been availble for sale since that date ....http://afcenergyprod.wpengine.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Roadshow-brochure-131119-3-JT1.pdf page 3 shows v arious timelines... but had no CE approval...just wondered why not.
Alkamonia was CE marked.
Seance, I think in the proactive interview AB said they were now building it.
Klunk, as I pointed out not long ago AFC have a habit of releasing new bits of information which has previously been withheld. Maybe they were naïve and didn't realise the product needed CE marking until a potential customer asked the question. We were previously told me were commercial which to me means we have a product we can sell, so that was clearly a.....
This may appear to be a stupid question ....but why was the CE approval not in place before launch ...?
Again, I seem to believe the 160kw system hasn't been built yet because they need an order before they commence? I stand to be corrected
ITM have CE marking of their products. This will provide validation to AFC systems. If they now have commercial availability for the 20kw and 160kw containerised systems I would expect that CE marking must be imminent or perhaps already in hand just not yet publicised to the market for one reason or another. Who knows eh ?
Ogggs, I am not criticising, just venting frustration. I am not in a bad place with AFC. Also up about 150% on my average. Prepared to play the long game, as if 10 years is not long enough. Best of luck, keep holding and it will have its day.