An example please of people voting with their hearts and making the wrong decision . ......So many lies and distortions on both sides it's impossible to judge what the implications might be . If you'd care to explain I'd be delighted to see them . ......The RN already commission foreign countries to build their ships , not warships I grant you but still part of the fleet . 4 support tankers currently under construction in Korea . Having recently closed Portsmouth in favour of Rosyth , do you really think the possibility of a yes vote wasn't discussed . Without using Rosyth I doubt they now have the capacity to fulfil their defence requirements . So to answer your question , yes , I do think they would continue to use Rosyth .......lies and distortions .
Voting with hearts usually tends to mean the wrong decision is made, and for the wrong reasons. Therefore, I hope people vote with their heads having considered long and hard the implications. This though, is exactly why Salmond let the 16+ age range have a vote. He knows youngsters are more likely to vote using the former method, they are easier to manipulate. You didn't say whether you agreed with my thoughts on the ship building issue? Does anyone in Scotland actually believe the RN would commission a 'foreign' country to build its fleet? Eager to hear thoughts on this.
Please don't consider this an attack , it's not ,I'm not a nationalist . Both Cameron and Salmond were booed at the launch , there is no independence at any cost agenda although you will get claim and counter claim much of which is slanted and distorted by both sides . There's no good guy , bad guy , in this situation , they're all politicians . For whatever reason women do seem to be less keen on on independence than men , not sure why , on the face of it they'd be better off with independence, ( child care , trident etc ) . As you say there are bound to be consequences but at this moment in time nobody knows whether they'll prove beneficial or not . Only thing you can say with certainty is that there will be changes. Personally I hope people do vote with their hearts as I've never seen this as an economic argument although both sides have done their best to turn it into one . .ATB
Whatever the Scottish outcome, there will always be regrets for some.. and created hardships to others.
From a non Scot... I would think that if Scotland is cut off politically and financially from England at a given future date say 2025... The cost of loss tax revenue to England and the non financial help to Scotland, would encounter many changes in both lands, and an unknown cost financially and of course to other unknown factors as it would a totally new venture and challenge for both lands. Maybe create a desire for some to move between both lands.
Maybe Scotland could start building on what they have got now and demand a better deal before cutting themselves off from England, like Cameron says he wants new talks to better UK deal in Europe ... but I assume that has been already tried or talked about.... If there is yes vote... there will no doubt be calls for ...Revues, Inquiries and investigations.... Mind you we get that every week now... on so many things reported on TV. a way of life now.
Time moves on as they say... but like most things this is about money and power from both an England and Scotland point of view..... Peace, Harmony and Morally are usually side issues..
Maybe together we stand, divided we change and then to create other problems... immigration in the UK in a prime example of changes in the past 30 years.... Population wise and many others.
So back to my first line... there will always be regrets for some.. and created hardships to others
I think the nationalists are pursuing 'an independence at any cost' agenda. This is why more women are for the no camp, as they are actually thinking about the future for their children. It's a gamble, whatever way you look at it. No doubt I will be attacked for my views but this is typical of anyone who supports the no camp. Interesting the other day that Shreck was booed the other day at the naming of the RN's new carrier - booed by the workers as they know if he wins independence the orders will all migrate south. There will be very real consequences north and south of the border in the event of a yes win. The problem is when valid issues are raised, they get shot down as negative no campers. I'll make a prediction, and that is that the Scottish will vote with their wallets (and their heads instead of hearts) and vote no. Hopefully then Shrek and his cronies will disappear.
Not like you to promote the nationalist argument . Having to leave Scotland to make your mark because the opportunities , which could be created in an independent country , just don't exist . As I've said before I'm ambivalent about it , but like it or not the Nats really do want to create a better , fairer , more prosperous society for the people of Scotland and they can't see that happening within the union , in much the same way as HMG want's less control from Brussels . Now whether they can achieve their objective or even be allowed to try is another matter but I wouldn't call it negative .
It is very much still the fact that Scots are at the heart of the economies of many Countries around the World. One of the problems has been that so many of the bright and influential Scots have left Scotland to make their marks around the World, not least in England. The negative attitude tends to come from some of those who've stayed behind and perhaps not made full use of their abilities.
" No doubt if the desire is there for change , it will probably happen." Pretty accurate statement and as you say too much is based in London and surrounding area ,whether it's accurate or not there is the perception in the minds of many Scots of being not only ruled over but often over ruled by a London , English as opposed to British , parliament.I'd be surprised if it wasn't a feeling shared by other areas of the British Isles. The further from the centre the more things get diluted . NeepHead ....Gone are the days mate , that's part of the problem .
Another thing that some are getting fed up with is... to much is based in London and the south of the UK. Some scots may wish a slow detachment from the rest of the UK, others may want a quick cut away and deal with the problems that will occur the best they can... a new Challenge ...
I wish the SCOTTISH well and will like many south of the boarder except the final outcome....
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