Immigration is I agree a motion issue in the UK, and good or bad there are many points of view depending how it affects you personally or in some cases your age...
My up take of one point is with a immigration limit.... to me many things have a limit before some one has to suffer, It can be a limit set by a law like a 70 mph speed limit and if you break it you suffer a fine etc.. Where their is no limit people tend to take advantage and someone again has to suffer....
A few years ago we have reports of a drought not enough rain, 5 months ago too much rain and the limit of rain was exceeded and floods was the result and again people suffered...
In the case of immigration if the limit is exceeded for the amount of housing, jobs and services available or which are already stretched to the limit... ... .. it would seem very foolhardy to not have a controlled limit before it creates unexcepted pressure to existing UK nationals requirements.. or to such times when housing and service levels are increased to cope with the amount of people requiring them.... more of something is not always a good thing as it often become too much of a good thing and cannot be reversed and it can create a massive overload problem... and affect many not involved..... Just like the amount of mortgages offered in 2007 with no limit then affected many people in the UK that never had a problem financially and ended up losing their jobs and homes.. and no many the price of electricity and gas has gone above an affordable limit for many people...and impacts of buying or doing other things... maybe the limit of income is too low...
Limits affect people in different ways many according to your income... law created limits or non law limits.... I have to limit my out goings to my limited income ... while some have no limits and have 500k to £5 million incomes
Some say immigration is good for business ... supermarkets sell more food, more cars and petrol bought .. but when A & E is packed and doctor appointments suffer and housing stock and rents increases in price by increase demand of a increased population demanding more than the requirements can be increase by to keep up with that demand... Then is back to the limits of exceptability being put under and exceeded and starts to affect many that did not have many issues years ago..
To finish it is not all down to immigration that the UK population is growing beyond basic service needs and requirements under pressure to deliver, but is certainly on logic is not helping..., as more are living longer and more people will increase the birth rates, just as more people increase the cars on the roads..
Based on the link below the population has increased or is increasing about 1 million every 5 years...
I hope you are not, again, suggesting that what I have posted is untrue? Apart from that small mistake I can assure you that every word is absolutely factual. You talk about "the same old stuff" but as one who has held six figure stakes in RBS for over five years I will tell you that, as with others, that "old stuff" included in my posts is hard learned experience and ALL of it directly related to RBS, much of it absorbed from other regular posters such as Big Evil and others no longer in this fraternity, mailman, and many others including jings100 who always has a political edge to his comments and responses but rarely offers his share trading actions or experience. We all have valid stuff to offer to each other and to anyone who cares to join in, most of us are polite to one another. Then you make the comment about 'other boards' and suggest that I should have commented on the Barcs board. My position on Barcs was simply to make a small profit quickly as per the mailman system. That is what I did. Interestingly I have read quite a few boards where you have posted and noted that you were bating other posters in much the same way as you have been doing to me and that some 'fellow humans' were very much more reactive than I to your criticisms. For that reason I have refrained from posting on those boards. Goodnight to you.
You may well be right statistically. I play quite a lot of golf and just about every week play a match against a different club. The chat is always convivial but I have to tell you that almost without fail the immigration subject comes up. Inevitably it starts with a joke or two that wouldn't be acceptable if overheard but it always develops into quite a serious debate. It rarely becomes 'party political' but usually concludes on the same basic concerns. I also meet a small variety of other people in different locations and, again, the same conclusions. This is the basis of my earlier post. Whether or not your statistics are true I really believe the subject is among the most talked about around the Country. Then again, I am led to believe that an increasing portion of the labour force in the building industry are Polish and east European so maybe there's a bullet to bite?
I had noticed your change of strategy in branching out to other shares if not other bbs. If this is your comfort zone then well and good but you can see where new posters like Brigadoon are coming from when they log in here and it's the same old faces chewing over the same old stuff again and again - most of it not even related to rbs lol.
BTW I held rbs and barc for the Q1s and it was quite funny to hear folk on the barc bb moaning that for once it would have been better to have been invested in rbs than barc lol. I was rather hoping you would have joined in in the discussions over there at the time to give us your alternative viewpoint as there are a lot of opinionated sorts like yourself over there. My view is that opinions and speculation being expressed on or engaged in on a bb are fine but when it comes to factual stuff we really do have a duty to keep it accurate on these bbs as somebody could go off and act on what they read on these bbs and it could have dire consequences for them. If you say well nobody should act solely on what they read on a bb then I'd have to say yes but we all need to stop and ask ourselves: what is the purposes of these bbs. Most of us would then say: it's to share information and maybe even experiences. So let's make an effort to keep the info accurate - call me old fashioned or anything under the sun you like, it will not change my viewpoint that I have a duty of care towards my fellow humans and I shouldn't just be looking out for my own hide. Goodnight.
If that's an accurate description of the situation I'd probably agree with you , not at all sure that it is . Not just English people who emigrate and without doubt there are problems in certain areas of Britain and I'd agree it may well be better in not only Scotland but Wales and Northern Ireland . The point I was trying to make , badly , was that if it's being promoted as a problem through the media and mainly relates to areas of England in British terms it may not be such a huge problem and due to media pressure , politicians being as they are , policies are now being put in place to reduce the numbers , might be a case of better late than never . ..... It's not really " Johnny Foreigner's " fault ( bit colonial , mate, lol. ) that the educational standards required in this country are so restrictive . If they weren't making up the numbers the NHS would have collapsed years ago .
I do not get this as long as net migration stays the same what is the problem. If the people leaving are highly skilled dare I say English born and breed and take their wealth and earnings potential and are replaced with ethnic minorities who have no intention of integrating and bring very little to the table then I am sorry but I DO have a problem with this. Perhaps immigration is not a problem north of the border but it is south. Take the NHS as an example. We make our medical schools so restrictive to entrants that a lot of students with the right A levels are turned down. We then have a shortage of doctors so we are forced to employ Johnny Foreigner on equal pay who can hardly speak a word of English and who would not have had a chance in hell in getting in to an English medical school. And that is one of many reasons why there are a lot of people, not just "racist" whatever that term means have such a big problem with it
Immigration is certainly being promoted as a major concern , not sure it actually is if you look at the figures , assuming they can be believed . Not that big a gap between immigration and emigration . Influx from Rumania and Bulgaria moderate and asylum seekers are , relatively , few and far between . New regulations are now in place to reduce the numbers from non EU countries , hard to tell how big a problem , or not , it'll be in future. As you say the illegal side is still a problem but even there the numbers are being reduced , if they can find them . Having said that , still a massive shortage of affordable local authority housing , not helped by successive governments reluctance to build and the right to buy scheme introduced by ,,,mmm now who was it again ,,,!!
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