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Share Price: 0.21Bid: 0.20Ask: 0.22Change: 0.00 (0.00%)No Movement on Optare
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Turog
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Order book
20 Aug '13
A big chunk of the order book would be the 50 ordered by Dawsons rentals in May
 
Turog
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Biko
20 Aug '13
Sorry, my earlier post miss spelling your name.
Turog
Posts: 335
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Code pet
20 Aug '13
Shouldn't that read AL rather than the directors would have the right to issue additional shares. This stinks. Our shares would be diluted, but AL would be issued more to maintain their 75.1%. Seems to me AL pulled a master stroke in buying 75%. It means they have full control, they lend money at high interest rates and they have 100% access to all the great Developement work for their other companies. IMO AL should pay fees for access to all R&D as we own 24.9% of the intellectual rights. Al will never buy the remaining shares as they don't need to. Very clever IMO
Turog
Posts: 335
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Biko
20 Aug '13
There's a flaw in your assumption that the turnover needs to double to double the margin. Most items in the overhead are static or would only rise in small percentages. For example salaried staff wages would stay the same as would the rent etc. also staff wages may not rise in line with turnover as there may have been significant down time if the sales were below forecast. Another example of this is that Jim summer appeared to be forecasting £100m turnover so if the business planned their overhead on this then there would have been significant overspend on overhead. If you recall, sometime ago the company was re-negotiating shift patterns. It would be my guess that the bod knew there was a sales downturn coming. IMO, this company is a £60-£70m turnover company and they should cut their cloth to suit. Any uplift to this should be a bonus.
martinu
Posts: 217
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new y
20 Aug '13
Thanks for clarification.
newyorker
Posts: 892
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martinu
20 Aug '13
i was meaning the difference between 12.2 M and 20M thats about 80 at the very most
buko
Posts: 445
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so looked at the figures ...
20 Aug '13
Gulp.
gross profit 7% on turnover equals 5.243m overheads 10.782m needing a turnover of 155m to break even .
directors pay up nice one guy's ashok loan higher (3.36) 2012 (5.2)m 2013 @ 8% over the boe interest rate all in all
the SP makes more sense ever day .
martinu
Posts: 217
Observation
Opinion:Hold
Price:0.29
new y
20 Aug '13
I agree on the circa £100,000, I would say a little over this. Not sure about 80 x 100,000 = £20m though. Isn't that = £8m?
newyorker
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martinu
20 Aug '13
ball park figure they seem to sell more solos than any other bus at around £100,000 each so IF THEY WERE ALL SOLOS which i doubt that would be only 80 units
martinu
Posts: 217
Question
Opinion:Hold
Price:0.29
Current order book
20 Aug '13
In the annual report, it says that current order book, ie end July/ start August 2013 is 20.2m. Would anyone care to make an estimate of how many units this represents, please? Report says this was up from 12.2m at end March 2013. Thanks.



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