Why are you posting in a bkir forum. Your last posts don't even mention the company. You spend your time insulting people here and running down this country and indeed the UK. You even got a jibe in at holland. So you like France and Germany well I am sure there are forums you can post and sing their praises on. This is not one. Auf Wiedersehen
Forget the UK and the EU for a minute. Ok Ireland is far better in than out..... and if the UK leaves their economy will crumble. Having said this, Ireland still refuses to look after its people (health wise) adequately. It is a fact. We still refuse to invest enough in education (better then the UK but that is not saying much).
Ireland should be forced by EU decree to provide universal health care for all those who work or are actively seeking work (apart from disabled etc). Those who are not actively seeking work should be denied all services as they are parasitic in nature. That includes travelers who are protected under the constitution from being required to look for work as they are deemed a nomadic tribe. What crap!
The invasions of one or another's country is a sad fact. The French under Guillaume d'Orange landed in Hastings and bashed the Saxons and occupied Britain for hundreds of years (where do you think the English language's working vocabulary came from or the inscription on the Queen of England's crown ' Dieu et mon droit'?? It is still there today. Then the English invaded France etc etc....Countries were built on invasion and crumbles on invasion. I am talking about contemporary Europe. We are all EU members and certain protocol should hold in respect of basics like healthcare and education. They don't though. And Ireland is the biggest sinner in terms of access to general healthcare and especially mental health care. We are a laughing stock in this area and should be hauled over the coals for it. We bail out bankers but ignore the needs of our most vulnerable. Shocking and indefensible no matter how you look at it.
That is why France and Germany are for me the models of democracy in Europe. France has the best Healthcare system in the world ...how many Brits come over to France for treatment?? thousands every year.. France may have its problems but it puts its people FIRST and that is all that counts. Its deficit is still smaller than the UK's and its economy bigger.
Time to get back on topic but just to reply to your comment. Even as members of the EU both our countries can trade with any country in the world we like. Its just easier to trade freely inside the union. The bigger advantage to both of us is the attraction we are as english speaking countries to non eu companies wishing to set up here as a base to enter our free market.
To the best of my knowledge we are each others bjggest trading partners. That is unlikely to change if the UK leaves the union. However as our biggest competitor for FDI you are potentially removing yourselves off the table for that. In fact we will be even more attractive because there will enevitably be a trade agreement between us that outside companies will want to exploit. By setting up here they will have a foot in both EU and UK camps.
Politically, Europe will change over time. The middle is loosing ground to both left and right. For now thoes who want Europe but a Europe with less say in national laws seem to be gaining most ground (including in ireland). As a union it will evolve but for the most part it is still in irelands interest to stay in. Imo.
It's nothing to do with being inward looking. We can still be a group of trading nations. The EU is not needed to do that. We should be trading with the world. Europe as a whole is a declining part of world trade. We need to be looking outward to survive in the world.
Whilst ignoring your racist comment, can you please inform me which person alive in the UK right now raped Ireland of it's wealth? Yes, the UK did some bad things, but nobody alive right now did them. And we could all go on saying this and that country owes us money. I mean, The Italians should pay us for the Romans invading shouldn't they? How about the Norwegians for the Vikings? Everyone could owe everyone money. How far back should we go?
You are right in what you say. The UK are net contributers financially to the EU but in return have had a big say in its destiny. You are on the brink of pulling out which is the right you have but the EU will continue regardless. Its interesting that the majority of your business leaders want to stay in. They must see the benefits of having a strong economic powerhouse in Europe to counteract the US and China. Its possible you can survive as an independent economy but we sure as hell would not.
You may see our membership of this union as a loss of independence but I see it as vital to developing Ireland. We don't have north sea oil or to be honest any real natural resources to sustain us. We are 4million people so not a mass market to scale any business. It is vital we are outward looking because we can't afford to be inward looking.
If we are net beneficiaries from the EU well so be it. Without Europe we certainly could not developed at the pace we have. Its not just the money, it's the market for our goods and the base we offer non EU multinationals. You also benefit from both thoes as well. This is a free choice we make. Its a democratic decision and 100% strategic. It gaureentees or actual independence, not compromises it.
Britain has benefited from this union with Europe also. I would however add that some greedy Anglified pigs have raped Ireland of its immediate wealth, but I trust or hope international family will ensure our future growth. Investment in this country continues and might I add Dublin is my favourite from those of which I have visited, I hope others agree.
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