Sturgeon is taking opportunity to be centre of attention
Wants to talk to EEC when we leave etc. If she paused for thought for one minute it might occur to het that Germany France etc might have bigger worries on their mind than whether a relatively small nation in population wants to join or not .For a start they will need to replace the UKs net contribution to the budget from somewhere.
Whilst I can easily understand why Scotland would wish to be truly independent, I really struggle with why they would want to swap a union i.e. UK where they have large influence and respect to being dependent on rules and laws made in Europe where with their population number they will probably have very little say.
There has to be a moderate chance as well that by the time we leave - if it proceeds - we will not be the last departure and the EEC in its current form will have ceased to exist
The fear factor and uncertainty will now be driving the markets. I think we will see continued wild swings and volatility on both the FTSE EURO and World Stockmarkets for some considerable time to come this is now a "Day Traders" market.
dunandusted maybe i was a little harsh in using the word "Little Englander" and apologise. Although i do respect the valid arguments put forward by the Brexiteers my anger and critism was aimed at the so called marginalised white working classes who never usually vote but turned out this time in their droves to vote, with the intention of giving David Cameron and Establishment a kicking. Most EU migrant workers in this country are young, hard working and highly intelligent energised and adaptable people, who have brought wealth, and a rich seam of alternative culture to our Country, We have nothing to fear but a lot to learn from these people living and working in our Country.
Pandemio you are quite correct this Referendum can be overturned a lot of people are now regretting voting for Brexit and are now staring into the abyss. Austerity, Tax Rises, Employment, Working Tax Credits, Minimum Wage, House Prices. Triple Lock State Pension, Bus Pass, Food Prices and petrol the list goes on and on, are now all under threat. There now has to be a consilatory cross party debate in Parliament and with our EU Partners we are not out of EU by any means yet.
The Scots have coped with invading groups since the beginning of time, they have long ago learned how to welcome and get on with others, indeed, if you look around the World you will find the Scots have been equally welcomed and have contributed hugely to the betterment of wherever they have domiciled. Such social skills have not been so apparent in our next door neighbour. There is no doubt that immigration was the major issue in the vote, surely because England is such an attractive place to live? Similarly Germany. The people have voted, presumably the requirement is the proper, thoughtful, effective, welcoming management of immigrant numbers that has been missing hitherto.
an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.
All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.
If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.
Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.
With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.
Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.
And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.
The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.
The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?
Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?
Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.
If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.
The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.
When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible st
Dust is flying all around at the moment, now half the Labour shadow cabinet are reported to be resigning.... so many if`s and could`s and maybe`s at the moment..... Any quick major change will obviously have a shock response and in an unknown early situation ...It is amazing how the UK leave vote has spread like a big shockwave around the world... Just shows how the Establishment of the EU does not liked to be questioned ...Maybe in coming time skeletons will come out of the cupboard exposing the way things have been run in Brussels... Like UK MPs allowances exposure...
It is obvious that people with mega money will make the bigger noise and many in the vote campaign now regret some of what they said and some are back tracking for damage limitation for their careers. No doubt things will calm down as reality kicks in ..... Has Osborne gone into hiding... We will have a raft of reports and talking everything to death ...then the new era will begin ..Over talking and Over reaction here and around the world has to stabilise ...People need to talk things out of their system And a new Con and Labour Leadership is now on the talking agenda ... Many other issues will logically come into the agenda......
Accusations will be flying around this week as will correcting statements and points of view from a positive future of change to those with doom and gloom as the future.... We have chosen to leave the EU club and without a membership ticket for the full benefits of the club ..The UK has just left the EU club and a restructure is now the forward process.....For the massive amount of trading that EU companies do with the UK and the UK with the EU.
A very interesting and unknown coming week in prospect ... in life decisions are and have to be made everyday .. This not a disaster but a recalibration of the UK voting publics wishes ..Sometimes rocking the establishment can be a good thing for change that is what voting is all about. Some votes are much bigger than others with bigger concerns and implications involved ... Predictions will be flying around like bullets .. Life will go on...
Meanwhile I like many will have to sit on the coach and enjoy the mystery tour and see where we end up.... It is not WW2 or anything like it.... Some of us remember life before we joined in 1973.... maybe a regret then to some to have joined.... you can never please all.. all the time...
Just my view as always... So Keep Smiling ... At least we have Football and Wimbledon to keep our sanity from the media madness... ATB
As the birds .. The 2 Vultures in the Disney film Dumbo said... WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO NOW FLAPS..
I think many people who voted to Leave have been frightened by the reaction in the City and wonder if they've done the right thing. That's whatbInsaw on anews bulletin just now.
I did think that one reason Scotland voted for Remain and that,probably, they haven't experienced the immigration that England has and you answered that,mailman.
On the news they showed the gathering of the main players in Brussels and they were pretty angry and want us out asap. Rutters if Holland was amingst them yet a very high proportion of his own people want to leave. What they're concerned about, if course, is any move in thevsame direction by other members. Angela Merkel cautioned against Any animosity towards us and called for courteous negotiations. It's like they've thrown their collective teddy out of the pram because a member has the temerity to call it a day. I wonder how UK visitors will be treated over there. We sometimes fly Southampton to Dijon or Rennes to visit friends who live there and we have to show passports and I've had my bags checked when departing.
As you say,mailman, the organisation is corrupt in many areas, what's going on when thevaccounts have never been signed off ? Way backone if the topnaccountants Martha Andrasonn flagged up discrepancies. A whistle blower..what did Kinnock do as Commisioner ? He sacked her. She joined UKIP.
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