Quite so, and If you feel that your space is being violated it is human nature to resist at any given opportunity. So voting leave was probably the first opportunity to take........ As I said it seems logic that once a limit is exceeded then pressure builds up .... and sadly a few big limits have gone to the wire for many...at the present time.
Take a Town and increase the population by 25% to 50% does not always go down well will locals and the local services and traffic system... Just creates frustration to the majority.....
The problem with the free movement of labour as a principle is that despite the best and noble intentions of the European project, the flow overwhelmingly goes one way: from poor countries to rich countries. Unfortunately, unless the national governments in rich countries commit to robust programmes of infrastructure building to accommodate the resulting influx of people (hospitals, schools, public transport, housing), the one- way flow creates inevitable strains on the existing stock, causing overcrowding, forcing up prices and generating political resentment. It is simply impossible to accept the principle of free movement of labour without the commensurate commitment to expansion of services and infrastructure. The people in rich countries who bear the greatest burden of this paradox are those who are least able to opt for private sector solutions: the working poor and disadvantaged. These are the people who appear to have voted overwhelmingly to leave.
The biggest threat to Corbyn is the group of Labour MPs who oppose the significant shift in policy orientation that he represents. To that end, there is a massive disconnect between the aspirations of the membership of the party, who support more social justice, state investment and an end to austerity (and Corbyn), and this group, who are a pro- business, neoliberal political class who want to pursue an economic orthodoxy that is very similar to that which the Conservatives propose. His position on the Referendum has been very canny: the official party line was remain and yet it would have been perceived as incredibly disingenuous if Corbyn had been an active campaigner, given his public voting history and statements on the EU, so he took a line that implied support but was highly critical. Perhaps, if Corbyn survives to within distance of the next Party Conference, that particular group will begin to be filtered out via processes of deselection. The watery blandness of the selected representatives of this group was incredibly obvious throughout the Labour leadership campaign last year and it is no surprise that the membership elected an alternative that represents tangible change of policy direction rather than an anaemic version of the government's agenda.
What if the migration to the UK is stopped by the UK and the other EU countries are forced to pick up the tab.... that may well create future unrest in the EU in years to come .. Just a thought, and the lack of UK financial input money lost. ... It may also be a wake up call now for the EU MPs to rethink their general attitude regarding mass movement of people to a small UK Island compared to big countries like Spain, Italy and Germany ..If a limit was imposed to the size the country, then the Remain Vote may well have won....I think many seized this opportunity to fester their anger at so many things in the UK that are not regulated or fair ...More is only good when things are comfortable ..beyond that constant crowded cities and roads and transport create a nightmare ..a far cry from the relative comfort of 40 years ago compared to today ..when I just walked into a building society and got a mortgage on my own with a deposit while earning below the average wage.. at a fixed 25 year rate ... so boy has things changed dramatically over 40 years
Today hopefully we will see a shake up on many things to come and Trade unions and the TUC must get themselves more involved with the government going forward., from here... You shut one door and another one opens.... A cleaner slate can be better.... No doubt reactions will emerge in coming weeks from the EU... A change is often needed and fresh approach.
We now wait and see the reaction to the US stock market opening at 2.30pm UK time ...
Was a good opportunity to get in this morning as big drop was well expected at the opening ... More than I expected at 65p down. The UK FTSE drop soon recovered nearly half of its loss in the first hour ...
Even the bookies got it wrong this time .... Meanwhile after being up till 4am and setting the alarm for 7.45am just before the FTSE opening I have just had a couple of hours sleep to freshen up... ready for the US opening..
That thought did pass through my mind..the entrenchment.Something has to change though. What could unseat the likes of JC Junker is that other EU countries insist on a referendum and opting to leave. This really has opened a can of worms. Over on Lloyds there's a post stating that the EU have asked the UK to initiate Clause 50..leaving. Seems Boris has said,"No rush". .Is Boris in charge now ?..lol. Not a peep from other ministers.
The microscope will really be looking at the Conservative Party now and we'll see the full extent of the split. Labour very quiet too, I notice. You have to wonder how much a part Corbyn's half-heated campaigning affected the vote. I watched street interviews and most Labour voters didn't know where the Party stood on the issue. I think we'll be hearing a lot from Scotland too.
I wonder where this leaves Draghi too ? The man doesn't inspire me at all. A real technocrat if ever there was one.
I am sure that there are movements in other European countries that also reject the EU for its failures and would like to resist the principle of the free movement of labour. Let's face it, the EU has historically been a poor decision maker; it is slow to react to crisis and has made lots of flawed, committee- driven decisions, primarily the move to impose a single currency on a group of highly disparate economies and then continue to accept entry of additional members whose economies lack the institutional maturity and governance necessary for really effective, beneficial integration. I am not so sure though that Juncker and co. are particularly threatened; the established elite that runs the EU are pretty entrenched.
205p. Good heavens. Lloyds back down to opening level s at 56p. mailman still well up from his 188p buy-in price.
The initial shock this morning was massive and now the sp.'s are getting back down to those levels.It's very tempting.
Are you not tempted,stagecoach ?
Prof Steve Keen (Kingston Uni London) economist,thinks shares will return to per-vote levels in a couple of weeks. He also thinks this will cause GO to relent ion his austerity measures,especially funding too research. .Cameron is to resign in time (September) so a new leader will be in place for their October Conference. I wonder whip that will be. Not GO,I hope. T. May will be in the running. I can't see Boris getting it nor Gove.
NI voted to Remain as did Scotland,now I hear on the news that there are calls from them to leave them UK and remain within the EU.
LennyMac. Good morning...That's how I feel. It's just too volatile and the gains from the lows this morning,first thing, will probably evaporate by close. mailman will be ok at a 220p sell but it's not for then faint-hearted, for sure.
I'm not sure if Cameron has resigned or stepped down. You have to wonder if this vote will have repercussions for the EU leadership, Junker in particular. I hear that 80% of Dutch people want out . Many French too. watch all the far-right figures get up and shout. Marie-Le Pen, Kurt Wilders etc. . The Austrians almost voted in a right wing government last week, they missed it by a whisker.
The markets may well take further dives as the repercussions become apparent.
I see The Donald..lol is over here visiting. That will add to the mix shortly. There's going to be some very interesting chat shows and phone-ins. Question Time' tomorrow I think…(repeat with Any Answers Saturday 1.10pm after the news. I think Five-Live has a Question Time on a Thursday evening 10.30pm.
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