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Manx Financial Share Chat (MFX)



Share Price: 9.375Bid: 9.25Ask: 9.50Change: 0.00 (0.00%)No Movement on Manx Financial
Spread: 0.25Spread as %: 2.70%Open: 9.25High: 9.375Low: 9.25Yesterday’s Close: 9.375


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Korg
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UPDATE
22 Sep '17
Good update as expected. Good longterm prospect now. Put the house on it!
 
Korg
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MFX
9 Aug '17
Regardless of the "mellon effect", seems to me the recent dealings are proportionate pointers to future earnings for the business. Been following the progress here and can see decent upside.
M1keG
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RE: Warrants and the Future
2 Aug '17
We will have to agree to disagree there then. Eventually the past warrants will get converted, possible loans converted etc, though the latter are getting less onerous and in the gift of the business not loan holder for some.

There has always been a declared ,Future Vision, of getting to a position of paying out excess capital and I can wait for that time. All these items we are now complaining about were gifted 5 years ago and the recent gifts are far more reasonable, loans without warrants, existing warrents increased in conversion price, loans convertable at banks behest etc.

Like I say I can wait for this to play out even if I don't agree with how the rich and senior management look after themselves first.
h4mmered
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RE: Warrants and the Future
2 Aug '17
Yes, Greg Bailey was gifted some free money by Jim Mellon, and this demonstrates the real challenge for investors - there's no way that any upside is truly going to accrue to external shareholders, just to Jim and his gang.
M1keG
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RE: Warrants and the Future
2 Aug '17
Savvy?, Spent a million, has a book value today of 1.3 million. Thats not savvy thats the who you know network at play.
Troysius
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Warrants and the Future
2 Aug '17
I am confused by M1keG, the Chairman of the Board is Mr Mellon, who has no son, are you confusing him with Mr Banks (of UKIP fame) whose son is on the Board?

Dr Greg Bailey who purchased the warrants and then exercised them is a close colleague of Mr Mellon in the biotechnology field and they sit on various Boards together.

He seems however to be a savvy investor and one would expect that he has not invested just over a £1 million for it not to produce some capital return as there is no income return at present.

Sadly I had the same logic when i bought my 500,000 shares and rather than make any capital gain, I have merely generated a substantial loss!
M1keG
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RE: warrants
1 Aug '17
You do realise that the warrants were in the hands of the chairman of the board and the largest shareholder (who's son is an IND?), you know, the guys who gives everybody else on the board their jobs?

Accounts are history and historically, since the turnaround this bank has achieved a ROE of over 10 percent, Guessing what its going to be this year is just that a guess. My money, literally, is on them eventually getting the cash cow going even if I don't have to like how its done. The growth is there just need a bit more help from the sideline businesses.
h4mmered
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RE: warrants
1 Aug '17
The warrants were not exercised, and had the Board allowed them to expire, refusing to allow them to be assigned then other shareholders would be materially better off.

On ROE, the figures in the accounts take no account of the dilutive impact of the warrants and the loan stock conversion. That takes the ROE comfortably down to single digits.

Note that the company will require significantly more than the minimum under Basel III in view of its small size and so above average risk of failure, according to regulatory norms. It won't be a huge multiple but it will be higher than statutory minimum. This exacerbates the issues around capital - being sub scale increases the capital that you need to write a certain level of business, which reduces the ROE....
M1keG
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RE: warrants
1 Aug '17
It would appear this one does?

Page 28 and 29 of annual report indicates Liquidity risk and how receivables are matched against customer accounts. Quote Maturity mismatches between lending and funding are managed within internal risk policy
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Allowing the warrants to expire? Since when do the rich ever give up another opportunity to make more money. They were always going to be exercised, the power was with the owner of the warrant.

I agree about the NAV but the share price is the practical measure. We are so far below NAV due to the uncertaintity of dilution, in this crazy world getting rid of the latter is just as likely to raise the share price!!

ROE figures, not sure where you are looking?

From the last accounts

As stated, profit before income tax for the year was £1.5 million (2015: £2.3 million) on a net interest income of £16.0 million (2015: £13.5 million). Our key metrics remain positive: our return on equity was 10%
(2015: 17%), which remains within the range of that of our peer group. Our lending grew by 15% (2015: 13%)
over the year. The level of performing loans remains impressive at 94%, a testament to our prudent lending policy.

Turning to the balance sheet, our loan book grew by £14.7 million to £116.1 million (2015: £101.4 million) and our deposit base increased to £126.0 million (2015: £106.3 million), a growth of 15% and 18% respectively. In turn, our equity increased by 8% to £13.2 million (2015: £12.1 million).

There's the capital problem. When your loan book grows by 14.7 million you need 10.5 pct more tier 1 capital under Basel III and the reduced profit did not provide sufficient for further growth. In some respects its a good problem to have as its at least caused by growth?
Troysius
Posts: 19
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Financing
1 Aug '17
How right are you on the financing.

It seems to me that Mellon has yet again got a very good deal, which was not offered to the shareholders in general.

Either the company is in such bad shape that it can not raise funds from elsewhere, but why would then a new investor take up a 13% stake in the company, or alternatively it was another 'sweet heart' deal.

Just think of the money Mellon has made out of this company through his loans and warrants!

The company should either have had a rights issue of sought external loan finance at a more commercial rate.




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