I am away now and left the board. Good luck to everyone, stay cheery and have a great year. I'm sure Lloyds will too, despite everything. If you're just a reader and not a poster, chip in as the board benefits most when there different views. Good luck. Lloyds KTF and keep your fingers crossed.
Global warming was first put forward as an idea in the late 1800s, gradually gained greater attention especially in the 1950s and 60's and it was probably in the 80's that present day thinking and consensus arrived.
Whatever causes it, melting of ice is happening at the poles, especially the Artic where new seaways are opened and the glaciers have receded in the Alps, Himalayas etc.
The point being not so much about the thing itself, just to say it was the scientific world that created this science and publicised it, rather than a plot by anyone such as the Chinese or Tony Blair. I agree you have to take the media with a pinch of salt and look into things a bit deeper to work out what makes sense.
So I guess no one has an argument against my last statement. So argue against this. Media tells us what to think and when to think it. So I am guessing the worlds arch enemy (or at least UK's) who threw himself off a boat because he made a mint on everyone else's savings did it because he had a conscience. Or did he do it because just like the family doctor in the woods over the Iraq enquiry, or the Welsh bloke who could kill himself in the red bag in the bathroom And then lock himself in it do. The truth is just just st b@ll@cks made up by somebody else. Can anyone really be surprised that the likes of Trump or Putin or Kim Jon Un actually exist in this day and age? While we all know we are living on Bu11**** fed to us these guys actually model they're lives on it, How unlucky if not deliberate that these guys who swallow the Sht are actually in charge.
Put this in yr climate change pipe and smoke it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologic_temperature_record. We live in an ice and the trend of temperature has been cooling for the last 3 million yrs!!! In the last 500m the earth has been as much as 7 degrees hotter and the dinosaurs coped! Sure we can handle a couple if indeed it happens. Lets get back to lloyds and avoid the green cr@p!
Take from these programmes whatever you will, I must say that i doubt they will ever be used as educational material. However what I did spot from very short shots of film (and this will mean more to males than to females) is that both Putin (admittedly a near dwarf - I'm off PC today, who can be when talking about these two) and the Donald, wear, as the Americans call them, 'lifts'. Now this worries me more than anything else, as in my most humble opinion, it means that at least two of the three most powerful men in the world have an inferiority (Napoleon) complex. They also have the most military might. Feel safe in your beds folks, but remember history has already been written, the future hasn't!
About 10 years ago the same C4 did a documentary about global warning and how it couldnt be attributed to greenhouse gas emmisions, they argued that temperature rises were cyclical and intimated that Thatcher was motivated to close our coal mines as she was in the pay of the green energy lobbyists, its was excellent as i recall - i may be available on u-tube but ive not checked. Different day same sh*t.
Global warming may or may not be a reality. However let me just say this for the record. I was born early 70s it did not exist then. I was schooled in the 80s it did not exist then. I raved my t!ts off in the early 90s it never existed then. THEN Tony Blair was elected PM. and all of a sudden the world was melting and we had no future. Iraq was full of chemical weapons and Iran, North Korea were enemies but Russia was so friendly and inviting. Don't try and tell me the world is melting and the weather is ****... I already knew that.
Did anyone watch the two Trump programmes just now ?
It didn't make for reassuring watching to be honest. Apart from Trump's bussiness associates there was the global warming denial.? Are they crazy ? There is clearly warming taking place, the debate is how much is anthropological. Drilling in the Arctic will most likely go ahead..the only pristine region of the world ..the Antarctic too,I assume, as will other energy projects now being held up for one reason or another. The oil,gas and coal industries are salivating . Having also watched the programmes my wife described the imminent Administration as 'frightening' and I tend to agree and for a variety of reasons.
The only positive for me and it may sound contradictory in the light if my belief in GW is that Trump is fighting a very hard battle to stop a wind farm being built off the east coast of Scotland albeit because it spoils the view from Trump's recently-built golf links..links when by the sea,I'm told. I loathe them. What they generate is far outweighed by the eye- sore aspect of them. On the Wirral,near Liverpool there used to be a clear view across the Mersey Estuary into Wales,now it's blighted with these darned turbines out to sea. Needless to say they are responsible for the deaths of migrating birds wherever they're built off- shore. I think those organisations dedicated to the protection if birds are trying to mitigate the loss as much as possible by working with the industry. Applies to lad- based too on the moors of Yorkshire ,no doubt the Highlands too.
I'm pleased I grew up when I did ..post WW2 baby- boom,as they call it, .because there's no comparison of life then with today..not as materialistic but a far better environment in so many ways. I think those of us brought up then had the best deal. It must be very tough for youngsters today not to mention young people making their way in life and now we have a Trump Administration to live with which will in some way affect us.
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