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Share Price: 56.19Bid: 56.18Ask: 56.20Change: 1.24 (+2.26%)Riser - Lloyds Grp.
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OilSpill
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RE: Cloudy outlook.
Today 11:56
the only time they did turn out and that ended in a hung parliament...

the uk electorate very rarely get it wrong...
 
Gazzleberry
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RE: Honestbob
Today 11:55
Moyon,

Selective extracts of Burke to determine the difference between representation and delegation is appropriate. Your representatives made the conscious decision to delegate the decision to the electorate. They can not become representatives again because they delegate the decision. Burke was clear on that.

Oh sorry, I have overstepped the mark. I'm meant to be a poorly educated Leaver.

Gary
OilSpill
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RE: Thunder storm coming.
Today 11:54
..Also it is the same problem (same engine) in the mini cooper..
OilSpill
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RE: Thunder storm coming.
Today 11:52
..also don't quote me but I'm sure BMW done a recall on series1, death rattle, in the USA and other countries but not in the UK...
Arbitrage123
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RE: Cloudy outlook.
Today 11:51
Well the young ruined it for themselves by not turning out for the election. As young people have been doing for decades...

But it's worth remembering that by far the largest group who constitute the "elderly" in this country are too young to have fought in WWII. The war ended nearly 71 years ago. It makes me very uncomfortable when people assert certain political views on people who are sadly no longer with us. Not on, not on at all.
Pugsy
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Thunder storm coming.
Today 11:50
It's Claimed that the Germany car manufacturer VW is giving the American car owners of VW £5,000 Plus correcting the problems over emissions, what about UK car owners of VW? will they get Any compensation? don't make me laugh, we in the UK put up with anything that's thrown at us.
moyon
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RE: Honestbob
Today 11:47
I think Edmund Burke set out the case for representative democracy well and why, in the issue we face now, parliament should decide on whether article 50 is triggered. Remember the referendum was advisory only. There is no law in the land saying that the referendum result has to be followed. One consideration that MPs should think about in terms of the national interest - what are the implications for the UK with regard to Scotland and Northern Ireland - the leave vote may also mean a vote to break up the UK...

Extract: "To deliver an opinion, is the right of all men; that of constituents is a weighty and respectable opinion, which a representative ought always to rejoice to hear; and which he ought always most seriously to consider. But authoritative instructions; mandates issued, which the member is bound blindly and implicitly to obey, to vote, and to argue for, though contrary to the clearest conviction of his judgment and conscience,--these are things utterly unknown to the laws of this land, and which arise from a fundamental mistake of the whole order and tenor of our constitution.

Parliament is not a congress of ambassadors from different and hostile interests; which interests each must maintain, as an agent and advocate, against other agents and advocates; but parliament is a deliberative assembly of one nation, with one interest, that of the whole; where, not local purposes, not local prejudices, ought to guide, but the general good, resulting from the general reason of the whole. You choose a member indeed; but when you have chosen him, he is not member of Bristol, but he is a member of parliament. If the local constituent should have an interest, or should form an hasty opinion, evidently opposite to the real good of the rest of the community, the member for that place ought to be as far, as any other, from any endeavour to give it effect."

Full text here: http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch13s7.html
Gazzleberry
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RE: Gazzleberry
Today 11:46
Hi Clamp,

To a great extent I agree with you, I know what it is like to be at the receiving end of Project Fear (twice now) and the absence of facts didn't help. It would have been useful had the Government gave access to the Leave campaign so that they had access to the same information as the Remain campaign. The Government thought that if there was a one sided campaign, they would win.

The angst and the ire should point to the those that made the decision i.e. Cameron and his cronies and not the electorate of both sides.

Gary
Clamp
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Gazzleberry
Today 11:41
Agree that now we have had a referendum that we stand by the decision of the people. You've got to question though, the decision to give people a choice without giving them the facts!
Wids
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RE: Wids
Today 11:37
ProfitPlus - you know the saying "what goes around, comes around".

So you're an old codger then. Fortnighly meet Tesco car park. Coffee and donuts ;-)




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