obama said from the begining,that the US under his term,would be less of the worlds police force. hence the low key,in syria and why not,the middle east is well armed with yank and russian hardware. nite
3card..I think millions will be watching his progress... and with trepidation, I think.
I'm sorry you couldn't see any positives for Obama..hopefully you read the attached link with 50 top achievements. Bear in mind, too..He went 8 years with a clean White House..no scandals. Off the top of my head ,I think that's a first. He certainly fell short on Syria but he had the Iranians putting pressure on him not to get involved at the very time he was negotiating that nuclear deal.. the one Trump said he'd tear up.. With hindsight he also pulled out too many troops from Iraq before the job was done re. ISIS. He's good decent man. He also tried to get gun control on the agenda but was defeated by the NRA.
We must agree to differ on the effectiveness of Obama. Suggest you mark Trump in due course on his presidential record. Thinker - re "Your attempt to compare the Rotherham rapes with a person's right to march is derisable" That is a gross and deliberate misinterpretation of what Newchurch posted and my support of it. I am sure he was merely making the point that the Sisterhood love spouting off about anything heterosexual or right wing, or worse, BOTH, but shrink away from more serious wrongdoings, especially those with a PC, left wing or ethnic twist
Not much more but I wanted to say this re. Trump who you seemingly eulogise.
Trump..built up a multi-billion dollar fortune through shrewd business deals ,you say. Are you having us on ? He's been made subject of bankruptcy proceeding 4 or 6 times depending on how you determine bankruptcy. His father had to bail him out or he;d have gone completely bust. He has no awareness of risk..now that is a danger regarding the Presidency. One observer states that had he invested the part of his father's real estate company in the S&P 500 in 1974 he would have amassed a far larger fortune than he has.
He has a track record of building up his businesses with unsustainable debt ,then come the bankruptcies. Economists are worried about the US debt under his watch.
Over the past few years he's had only two or maybe three of his hotels ranked in America's top 150..His success has been in self-promotion,marketing,enhancing properties and running beauty competitions.
He's the only President not to have his tax returns open for scrutiny. He won't do it either. When asked recently he said that the people aren't interested because they voted him President anyway, quote "only you..the medias are interested". Neither will he put his business interest into a blind trust fund as is the norm upon becoming President..for obvious reasons.
3Cardbrag..What a crass post that is and for me it's disappointing to see Newchurch who normally gives us the nitty -gritty of facts..not appreciated by all it has to be acknowledged but none the less detailed analysis, agrees,intact 'totally agrees' even declaring it as a "good post" Thinkermite is right. Now I see he/she has responded and I also agree, beware the term..'with respect' because it most often means the opposite.
You claim that Obama was elected because he was the first black candidate. Wrong. Jesse Jackson won 5 primaries in 1984 but failed to make it to President. He tried again in 1988 and failed. There are two main reasons why Obama won. He ran against Hillary Clinton for the nomination. A women. America was not ready to have a female President but other factors were at play. He also then had the internet at his disposal benefitting from the massive rise in web participation 1996-2007 internet use to find out about campaign news rose from 2% > 23% He was a man of his age. He was clearly younger than Hilary,more vibrant too. He inspired, he connected with young people, especially the 18-29 group on Facebook, Twitter,Youtube..BarackObama.com..? He made he made everyone feel that they were included. My opinion is that people looked past his colour. Also,Clinton did not represent change and at that time 60% plus of americans thought the country was headed in the wrong direction under Bush. They opposed the Iraq war..Obama was one of the first politicians to oppose it, Hillary voted for it. The Democrats won because the country was embarrassed by GW Bush..He had a 30% approval rating by 2008.Hopefully, this information will cause you to reconsider your fatuous claim that Obama won because he is black.
You also claim that his 8 years in Office was..'a complete and utter waste of time', nothing of note achieved.
For me one of the most important achievements was the Affordable Health Care plan which I appreciate has run into some trouble financially for people but after 5 presidents over 100 years he,at least, got a Plan off the ground. There were 40 million americans without health care insurance in addition to the millions struggling.
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