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Share Price: 5.05Bid: 5.00Ask: 5.10Change: 0.00 (0.00%)No Movement on Quadrise
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pcjoe
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Emma scrubber
Mon 23:36
Sprinter

This is at least the second time you have said this -

"the Emma which has been confirmed to have had a scrubber installed"

Please tell us where you have seen this as having been confirmed - Nothing on Google re this & Maersk have already stated they dont do scrubbers?
 
Sprinterminter
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RE: Scrubbers
Mon 21:50
Foxm, i believe the environmentally friendly feature of recycling its engine exhaust has been a feature on this vessel long before the new structure aft of the funnel appeared, im happy to be corrected but if this is the case then what else could it be ?
foxm
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RE: Scrubbers
Mon 20:09
I think there might be some confusion here, I personally don't think that Emma Maersk or these other ships have been fitted with scrubbers, I think it is being mixed up with the waste heat recovery system which I posted a link about last week. They reduce emissions (but probably not SOx to 2020 compliance) and increase the fuel efficiency by around 12%.

My first understanding from reading these links was that the unburned carbon was redirected back into the ship's main engines -

http://www.ship-technology.com/projects/emmamaerskcontainers/

http://www.emma-maersk.com/specification/

but from reading the next link, it seems that the exhaust emissions are redirected into a separate exhaust gas boiler, which generates steam to be turned into electrical power..

http://www.maersk.com/en/hardware/triple-e/the-hard-facts/turning-waste-heat-into-energy

Maersk are spending a lot of money on these, they cost up to $10m a pop and they will have 78 ships fitted in total. The bad news for QFI is that MSAR might not actually be suitable for ships fitted with these. Because of the increase in engine efficiency using MSAR and because of the water decreasing the exhaust temperature, it would probably make these units much less efficient - virtually no soot and much lower temperatures = much less wasted energy to recycle.

The good news is that only 78 ships are being fitted, so that would still leave 87% of the rest of the fleet suitable for MSAR. And as I said before, if Maersk are prepared to spend up to $10m on one of these, with a pay back time of 5 - 10 years, why the hell are they going to be so against fitting scrubbers at $3m - $5m a time with a payback time of probably less than 2 years.

Another thing which hasn't been mentioned before, given the vast difference in the exhaust gas of an engine running on MSAR vs one running on traditional HFO (virtually no particulate matter, 50% less NOx), I would imagine a scrubber towards the cheap end of the scale would suffice. The amount of exhaust gas cleaning that will have to be done will be very significantly reduced. As well as the CAPEX of an MSAR scrubber, the OPEX would also probably be much lower.

Wartsila have been heavily involved in scrubber design over the last few years, they are pushing them hard. Given the close work done between them, Maersk and QFI over the last 5 or 6 years, it wouldn't surprise me if they have been working on a scrubber model specifically for an engine running on MSAR. I certainly can't see Wartsila holding up the issuing of the Interim LONO, it would be great news for their business if MSAR was widely adopted across the marine industry, they could also potentially be very big winners in this.
Jiminy77
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Scrubbers
Mon 20:07
Madrid Maersk has recently been launched and 10 more of these second gen triple e's are to follow, it would be nice to know what's under these

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Madrid+Maersk&client=safari&hl=en-gb&prmd=inmv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjGvazp4L3TAhWIJMAKHYD6C10Q_AUIBygB&biw=1024&bih=672#imgrc=236r4EoCx6z8MM:

And if their isn't any scrubbers, why not?
Sprinterminter
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RE: Scrubbers
Mon 20:03
The SI was an ideal candidate for a 1st stage trial as i would imagine due to its age it was low risk and will soon be destined for the scrapyard. If the part lono/wartsilla comes good i believe Maersk will commit in full one of the larger newer vessels now fitted with a scrubber and this trial will be full on prior to the ultimate decision on MSAR
MichaelPC
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scrubbers
Mon 19:50
Hi all,

Can anyone advise whether the Maersk Skarstind has a scrubber fitted?

Cheers,
Mike
PreparationH
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RE: Scrubbers
Mon 18:09
Ah, so these aren't Triple E's but the class' predecessor, the ' Class' Vessels. All of which are being upgraded. 4 of which already have the Scrubber from recent images I've found. (Yes, Ship spotters are as prevalent as their Plane brethren)

https://theloadstar.co.uk/maersk-upgrades-e-class-containerships-bolster-capacity/

All have Wartsilla 14RTA-Flex engines (LONO next week?)

Could this be the MSAR Commercial Kick-Off fleet!?
Sprinterminter
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RE: Scrubbers
Mon 17:37
Sprinterminter
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RE: Scrubbers
Mon 17:35
Prep H
The size, shape & position on the Eugene Maersk of this additional piece of superstructure is identical to that on the Emma which has been confirmed to have had a scrubber installed. Stock images do not show the vessels with these massive structures added.
ramblingsid
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Scrubbers
Mon 17:30
PrepH & Sprinter

If I follow this correctly, Maersk, who see their initial compliance with the new sulphur regs as low sulphur fuel, not scrubbers, as per the RNS of 7 April, and are concerned (or is it others in the industry?) that there aren't scrubbers yet large enough, have already retro fitted scrubbers to at least two triple E's.

Now I understand!!!!

I think I'll retreat to the warmth of a decent bottle of Chilean Red and let it all flow over me. Will someone please wake me in a few months when all this Dick swinging posturing has finished.




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